Re: DAR

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Posted by Petra on October 06, 1999 at 20:53:06:

In Reply to: Re: DAR posted by Pat on October 06, 1999 at 08:10:36:

: I am sincerely sorry that you are so sour and judgemental. It must be stressful to search for things to be angry about, laugh at and critize. Prejudice is an ugly thing and I bet you don't even recognize the fact that you are!.

: Pat

Oh Pat,

now it sounds as if I made you angry, and that's not a good thing. Well, if you knew me, you wouldn't call me sour, I bet. I wish I could somehow get across that I'm not at all angry, just calmly discussing some things. We can disagree on the issues, but I don't want you to walk away angry from our little discussion, that would be too bad. Actually, I was thinking about this on my way home today on the freeway (had a whole hour in slow traffic...) and maybe you're right about me being prejudiced insofar. But then again... Maybe I've just met too many people who left me completely perplexed about their strange view of American history. To be happy that the Revolution happened the way it did, sure, nothing against that. To find it interesting to know about ancestors who had a part in it, of course, very understandable! I'd never criticize that. Now, to have a club based on bloodlines, well... but that's none of my business, may people do what they enjoy. But when all that pride comes in, all that verbal flag waving (that's the impression I got from that website), then I'll pull my glasses a little closer to take a better look, sort of. And when then someone starts celebrating pioneers' victories in general (now, I don't know if anyone did, but Roy's comment sounded like that's what they do, and it's what many do here in AZ) then I do in fact criticize that. Not because I looked for something to criticize at random, but because I disagree with the way such celebrations look at pioneers and their role in history.

So, in what regard do you find my comments judgmental? You didn't mean the comments on patriotism, right? Probably because I said I could imagine...? Well... see... that's just because I have met so many people where what I imagine is true. And they are often the most lovely people to be with, we just have major disagreements. But yes, maybe that's a form of prejudice too, to extrapolate from personal experience. Where is the line between experience and prejudice? My experience has been, that where people identify strongly with certain persons in history, that they find it hard to look at those persons or parties in an objective way.

So, don't be angry, come back and let us hear your view about the issues, not just about me... okay? Shall we start a new thread further up, maybe?

Regards,
Petra

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: : I am sincerely sorry that you are so sour and judgemental. It must be stressful to search for things to be angry about, laugh at and critize. Prejudice is an ugly thing and I bet you don't even recognize the fact that you are!.

: : Pat

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: Oh Pat,

: now it sounds as if I made you angry, and that's not a good thing. Well, if you knew me, you wouldn't call me sour, I bet. I wish I could somehow get across that I'm not at all angry, just calmly discussing some things. We can disagree on the issues, but I don't want you to walk away angry from our little discussion, that would be too bad. Actually, I was thinking about this on my way home today on the freeway (had a whole hour in slow traffic...) and maybe you're right about me being prejudiced insofar. But then again... Maybe I've just met too many people who left me completely perplexed about their strange view of American history. To be happy that the Revolution happened the way it did, sure, nothing against that. To find it interesting to know about ancestors who had a part in it, of course, very understandable! I'd never criticize that. Now, to have a club based on bloodlines, well... but that's none of my business, may people do what they enjoy. But when all that pride comes in, all that verbal flag waving (that's the impression I got from that website), then I'll pull my glasses a little closer to take a better look, sort of. And when then someone starts celebrating pioneers' victories in general (now, I don't know if anyone did, but Roy's comment sounded like that's what they do, and it's what many do here in AZ) then I do in fact criticize that. Not because I looked for something to criticize at random, but because I disagree with the way such celebrations look at pioneers and their role in history.

: So, in what regard do you find my comments judgmental? You didn't mean the comments on patriotism, right? Probably because I said I could imagine...? Well... see... that's just because I have met so many people where what I imagine is true. And they are often the most lovely people to be with, we just have major disagreements. But yes, maybe that's a form of prejudice too, to extrapolate from personal experience. Where is the line between experience and prejudice? My experience has been, that where people identify strongly with certain persons in history, that they find it hard to look at those persons or parties in an objective way.

: So, don't be angry, come back and let us hear your view about the issues, not just about me... okay? Shall we start a new thread further up, maybe?

: Regards,
: Petra

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