Re: The Grey Hair

Posted by Victoria on January 20, 1999 at 08:14:17:

In Reply to: Re: The Grey Hair posted by Champ on January 19, 1999 at 18:18:13:

: O'siyo Victoria & All,

: I was just checking out this discussion, & found it quite interesting. The idea that Munro was a "composite" & quite possibly representive of Sir William Johnson is intriguing.
: I understand what you said about his character not being able to stir up the Mohawks to raid a Huron village, but it was not unusual for some British officers to be assigned to either the Indian Dept. or Rangers for a time, in which case he could have led a raid or been attached to raiding force.
: The more likely scenerio though is that he led a contingent of British Regulars augmented by a party of Rangers & a sizeable party of Mohawks. This was indeed very common in both the F&I War and the Revolution.
: He was probably the ranking officer of this composite force, and as such was the "Father" of the raid upon Magua's village.

: Great discussion :-)

: "Champ"
: [the Cherokee Ranger]

Howdy,

I'm real glad this discussion has proved interesting.

I can't see the older Munro as a Ranger, due to his conventional military training, and lack of familiarity with the N.A. terrain. Also, as near as I can recollect, all the officers in the Indian Dept., northern and southern, F & I War and Rev. War, had lived for many years in the colonies, and most had close personal ties to the Indians through marriage. This includes Johnson, Croghan, McKee, Morgan, Gist, Gists's successor (can't remember his name but he was in charge of the Tsalagi so maybe you can refresh my memory), Claus, the Butler's, etc. The Mohawk remained essentially neutral even after Hendrick went to England with the Poltroon, sorry Patroon, Schuyler, and it took many, many words around the council fire to turn this around. I don't think Munro could have done this all by his little own Scottish self. (It took a couple of Irishmen to completely muck things up.) Johnson made sure that it also fit in with the Six Nations desire to check mate the Tsalagi, and keep a close rein on the wandering, emasculated Lenape and their grandchildren, the Shawnee.

I do think Magua's vendetta was personal, as opposed to a response to the war song sung by the French, cut off from adequate supplies and lacking in reinforcements, desperate for help in their quest to control the Ohio Valley, which was the original cause of the F & I War.

Regards,
Victoria
(who has Tslagi ancestors like so many in this area)

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: : O'siyo Victoria & All,

: : I was just checking out this discussion, & found it quite interesting. The idea that Munro was a "composite" & quite possibly representive of Sir William Johnson is intriguing.
: : I understand what you said about his character not being able to stir up the Mohawks to raid a Huron village, but it was not unusual for some British officers to be assigned to either the Indian Dept. or Rangers for a time, in which case he could have led a raid or been attached to raiding force.
: : The more likely scenerio though is that he led a contingent of British Regulars augmented by a party of Rangers & a sizeable party of Mohawks. This was indeed very common in both the F&I War and the Revolution.
: : He was probably the ranking officer of this composite force, and as such was the "Father" of the raid upon Magua's village.

: : Great discussion :-)

: : "Champ"
: : [the Cherokee Ranger]

: Howdy,

: I'm real glad this discussion has proved interesting.  

: I  can't see the older Munro as a Ranger, due to his conventional military training, and lack of familiarity with the N.A. terrain. Also, as near as I can recollect, all the officers in the Indian Dept., northern and southern,  F & I War and Rev. War, had lived for many years in the colonies, and most had close personal ties to the Indians through marriage.  This includes Johnson, Croghan, McKee, Morgan, Gist, Gists's successor (can't remember his name but he was in charge of the Tsalagi so maybe you can refresh my memory), Claus, the Butler's, etc.  The Mohawk remained essentially neutral even after Hendrick went to England with the Poltroon, sorry Patroon, Schuyler, and it took  many, many words around the council fire to turn this around.  I don't think Munro could have done this all by his little own Scottish self. (It took a couple of Irishmen to completely muck things up.) Johnson made sure that it also fit in with the Six Nations desire to check mate the Tsalagi, and keep a close rein on the wandering, emasculated Lenape and their grandchildren, the Shawnee.  

: I do think Magua's vendetta was personal, as opposed to a response to the war song sung by the French, cut off from adequate supplies and lacking in reinforcements, desperate for help in their quest to control the Ohio Valley, which was the original cause of the F & I War.

: Regards,
: Victoria 
: (who has Tslagi ancestors like so many in this area)   
:  


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