Re: The Grey Hair

Posted by Champ on January 19, 1999 at 18:18:13:

In Reply to: The Grey Hair posted by Victoria on January 14, 1999 at 08:00:51:

: There has been some discussion on the board about
: the identity of the person called "The Grey Hair,"
: and it has been remarked upon that the Col. Monro
: of the film didn’t seem to fit the bill. We know
: that Michael Mann used cinematic license
: to collapse time by placing Joseph Brant at an older
: age than he actually would have been during the time
: the film was set. Given this I have often wondered if,
: when her refers to the Grey Hair, if he wasn’t
: making a composite figure out of Monro. Monro was a
: heretofore unnoticeable Scottish Colonel relegated to
: commanding a wilderness fort who could not have afforded
: an address any where near Portman Square. Nor was
: he capable of painting the war post red, stirring up the
: fearsome Mohawk bringing them to fall upon
: Magua’s village.

: TBC,
: Victoria

O'siyo Victoria & All,

I was just checking out this discussion, & found it quite interesting. The idea that Munro was a "composite" & quite possibly representive of Sir William Johnson is intriguing.
Having studied the F&I and Revolutionary Wars, in paticular the Rangers & the Indian Dept's, my take is this, Magua's vendetta was with thee Col. Munro depicted in the film.
I understand what you said about his character not being able to stir up the Mohawks to raid a Huron village, but it was not unusual for some British officers to be assigned to either the Indian Dept. or Rangers for a time, in which case he could have led a raid or been attached to raiding force.
The more likely scenerio though is that he led a contingent of British Regulars augmented by a party of Rangers & a sizeable party of Mohawks. This was indeed very common in both the F&I War and the Revolution.
He was probably the ranking officer of this composite force, and as such was the "Father" of the raid upon Magua's village.

Great discussion :-)

"Champ"
[the Cherokee Ranger]

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: 
: : There has been some discussion on the board about
: : the identity of the person called "The Grey Hair,"
: : and it has been remarked upon that the Col. Monro
: : of the film didn’t seem to fit the bill.  We know 
: : that Michael Mann used cinematic license
: : to collapse time by placing Joseph Brant at an older
: : age than he actually would have been during the time
: : the film was set.  Given this I have often wondered if,
: : when her refers to the Grey Hair, if he wasn’t
: : making a composite figure out of Monro.  Monro was a
: : heretofore unnoticeable Scottish Colonel relegated to
: : commanding a wilderness fort who could not have afforded
: : an address any where near Portman Square.  Nor was
: : he capable of painting the war post red, stirring up the
: : fearsome Mohawk bringing them to fall upon
: : Magua’s village.

: : TBC, 
: : Victoria

: 
: O'siyo Victoria & All,

: I was just checking out this discussion, & found it quite interesting. The idea that Munro was a "composite" & quite possibly representive of Sir William Johnson is intriguing.
: Having studied the F&I and Revolutionary Wars, in paticular the Rangers & the Indian Dept's, my take is this, Magua's vendetta was with thee Col. Munro depicted in the film.
: I understand what you said about his character not being able to stir up the Mohawks to raid a Huron village, but it was not unusual for some British officers to be assigned to either the Indian Dept. or Rangers for a time, in which case he could have led a raid or been attached to raiding force.
: The more likely scenerio though is that he led a contingent of British Regulars augmented by a party of Rangers & a sizeable party of Mohawks. This was indeed very common in both the F&I War and the Revolution.
: He was probably the ranking officer of this composite force, and as such was the "Father" of the raid upon Magua's village.

: Great discussion :-)

: "Champ"
: [the Cherokee Ranger]


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