Re: The Grey Hair

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Posted by Victoria on January 19, 1999 at 07:55:51:

In Reply to: Re: The Grey Hair posted by Pat on January 18, 1999 at 14:46:54:

: Hi Victoria,
: This is an interesting discussion and I am enjoying it; however, I still disagree. While Cooper is awash with symbolism, Mann's movie does not add additional symbolism. Granted he tosses in Joseph Brant's name when Brant was only a child and he rewrote Cooper's plot (removing symbolism in the process). Making money is the bottom line for films. Movies must appeal to a wide audience - if a film is too esoteric, many of the viewers will be frustrated and dissatisfied and not recommend the movie to others (word of mouth sells a lot of tickets).
: Also, I think Magua's vendetta was too personal to be aimed at a composite figure. Sir William Johnson was interesting and colorful - there are some good books about him available at amazon.com. He certainly makes an interesting topic for continued discussion. Glad you brought him up.
: Pat

Hey Pat,

I don't think that Mann added any symbolism, but I do think he played with time and characters. Very typical of films, and I think he was throwing out another tidbit to pique the interest of those who might be familiar with the history of the causes and precursor events of the F & I War. It would have been missed by most, especially those whose attentions are fixated elsewhere (like Mmmmarcia). The Huron were subjugated by the Mohawk long before Magua would have been alive, don't forget. The other interesting thing to note is that Hendrick was Johnson's Mohawk mentor, and it was his words that Ongawascone (sp.) was quoting in the movie.

Sticking to my guns,
Victoria

(Glad someone found this interesting. Was ready to bank the History Fire.)

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: : Hi Victoria,
: : This is an interesting discussion and I am enjoying it; however, I still disagree. While Cooper is awash with symbolism, Mann's movie does not add additional symbolism. Granted he tosses in Joseph Brant's name when Brant was only a child and he rewrote Cooper's plot (removing symbolism in the process). Making money is the bottom line for films. Movies must appeal to a wide audience - if a film is too esoteric, many of the viewers will be frustrated and dissatisfied and not recommend the movie to others (word of mouth sells a lot of tickets).
: : Also, I think Magua's vendetta was too personal to be aimed at a composite figure. Sir William Johnson was interesting and colorful - there are some good books about him available at amazon.com. He certainly makes an interesting topic for continued discussion. Glad you brought him up.
: : Pat

: Hey Pat,

: I don't think that Mann added any symbolism, but I do think he played with time and characters. Very typical of films, and I think he was throwing out another tidbit to pique the interest of those who might be familiar with the history of the causes and precursor events of the F & I War. It would have been missed by most, especially those whose attentions are fixated elsewhere (like Mmmmarcia). The Huron were subjugated by the Mohawk long before Magua would have been alive, don't forget. The other interesting thing to note is that Hendrick was Johnson's Mohawk mentor, and it was his words that Ongawascone (sp.) was quoting in the movie.

: Sticking to my guns,
: Victoria

: (Glad someone found this interesting. Was ready to bank the History Fire.)

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