Re: PAX PAPERS! AUGUST! COME! NOwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!

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Posted by Chris on August 21, 2000 at 22:33:50:

In Reply to: Re: PAX PAPERS! AUGUST! COME! NOwwwwwwwwwwwww!!! posted by Vita on August 21, 2000 at 19:31:22:

: As I said, I still claim that truth is elastic, for example, there was a time when it was the absolute truth that the world was flat.
: Masses and masses of people believed this to be the absolute truth -- from the highest to the lowest in the human hierarchy.

No, no, no, Vita. I must disagree with you. The world has never been flat. The truth was and is that it is spherical. Our perception of the world was that it was flat. Just because "everyone" believed it was flat, that did not make it flatten out. It is our perceptions which are elastic and may change. Truth does not change.

: We believe in God, OK. Here we have unity through our common belief, acceptance of a Truth we call "God Exists."
: Yet, there are many who will challenge this statement, with: The Existence of God is based on faith, in that we have agreed on believing, that there is God. But God's existence is not REAL, is not touchable by hand, seen by eye, therefore he is fiction rather than fact.

If God is the apple in the middle of the table, those sitting on your side of the table may say He exists in a shiny red form. Those sitting on my side of the table say he is brown, skinny and squirmy. We are both looking at the same Truth. We just perceive it differently. Neither of us is wrong. God is still the same apple on the table no matter how we see Him.

: So, to achieve the Unity we are talking about, how do we continue?

You have achieved unity with those sitting on your side of the table and I have achieved unity with those sitting on my side. We have not achieved unity with each other, and may not do so until you come to my side of the table and I go to your side, and we both see the apple in its entirety.

: Other than the faith in one Almighty, Omnipotent Omniscient God, what else is there to bring about unity?

I agree with Dana... the search for Truth.

Great discussions here.
Chris

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: : As I said, I still claim that truth is elastic, for example, there was a time when it was the absolute truth that the world was flat.
: : Masses and masses of people believed this to be the absolute truth -- from the highest to the lowest in the human hierarchy.

: No, no, no, Vita. I must disagree with you. The world has never been flat. The truth was and is that it is spherical. Our perception of the world was that it was flat. Just because "everyone" believed it was flat, that did not make it flatten out. It is our perceptions which are elastic and may change. Truth does not change.

: : We believe in God, OK. Here we have unity through our common belief, acceptance of a Truth we call "God Exists."
: : Yet, there are many who will challenge this statement, with: The Existence of God is based on faith, in that we have agreed on believing, that there is God. But God's existence is not REAL, is not touchable by hand, seen by eye, therefore he is fiction rather than fact.

: If God is the apple in the middle of the table, those sitting on your side of the table may say He exists in a shiny red form. Those sitting on my side of the table say he is brown, skinny and squirmy. We are both looking at the same Truth. We just perceive it differently. Neither of us is wrong. God is still the same apple on the table no matter how we see Him.

: : So, to achieve the Unity we are talking about, how do we continue?

: You have achieved unity with those sitting on your side of the table and I have achieved unity with those sitting on my side. We have not achieved unity with each other, and may not do so until you come to my side of the table and I go to your side, and we both see the apple in its entirety.

: : Other than the faith in one Almighty, Omnipotent Omniscient God, what else is there to bring about unity?

: I agree with Dana... the search for Truth.
:
: Great discussions here.
: Chris

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