Re: PAX PAPERS! AUGUST! COME! "..Can't We Just Be Friends?"

Posted by Vita on August 21, 2000 at 18:01:05:

In Reply to: Re: PAX PAPERS! AUGUST! COME! posted by Bill R on August 21, 2000 at 17:46:48:

:
: : : Well! It seems I have mis-assumed, and you have mis-assumed.
: : : I never would have guessed that you were pagan, and your guess about my squeeky clean keyboard is totally wrong. This board is older than I am. It has enough dirt on it for a good sized garden to flourish.

: : : Debate? Okay. One thought. What is truth? Is truth not that which never changes because it IS truth? And if that is so, then man's religions, though meant to provide us enlightenment, must have little to do with actual truth - as religion evolves (changes) and therefore cannot BE truth itself? Only an attempt to understand truth?

: : : Bill R

: : Dear Bill,

: : Remember Pax Paper Paragraph, which containst:
: : "Can't We Just Be Friends..."
: : and the full paragraph is:
: : " ... Unity, from what I gather, is the ticket. That's the contemporary ideal, the cat's meow. But how? When? At what cost? We all quickly say we're all for unity, for no one really wants to say they're in favor of disunity but this unity remains undefined, meaningless and unchallenged. It's like saying, 'I'm against breast cancer' ... no one is actually for breast cancer but it feels good to buy anti-breast cancer stamps and declare we're against it. It doesn't mean all that much really. What is it we really aim to achieve? It seems to me, in my stubborn way of seeing things, that what we're really thinking is this; I want to be your friend and feel good about this friendship so, please don't bring up things we might disagree upon because though I like to call myself enlightened and open minded, the truth is, I won't forgive you for holding a differing opinion which will lead to my not really liking you, and of course, I might find myself to be less open minded than I care to admit. Can't we just be friends? Is this the real unity we want? Isn't this what we really mean when we speak of being tolerant? I'd much rather have my viewpoints challenged, probed, and tested than neatly, kindly tolerated without examination. "

: : Hmmm... more to debate!
: : Hey, re. Pagan... hmmm I am also a Wicca witch. OK, just kidding. I studied it, interesting, just the way I studied Rosicrucians and their rituals.
: : I am too many things to be One Thing, alone.
: : But there is GOD.
: : Come, Bill... I still owe you 2 books...! See, am forgetful, too. Blame it on too many shocks to my system.
: : Meanwhile, let's delve into the above paragraph!

: : Vita ...:-)

: Unh, Vita? I love you dearly, but in order to debate, don't we sorta have to be on the same sheet of music - topic wise? I test the waters with "truth" and you respond with "unity"?
: I don't know how to debate in parallel......sorry. My brain is too tiny.

: Bill R

Dear Bill,

Any which way.... Debate, I mean.
Actually.... Truth and Unity have mych in common! For example, there are as many truths as there are view/vantagepoints. Remember Akiro Hirasata (I may be misspelling his last name, right now....) movie, Rashomon?
Truth is being manipulated by those who want to prevent Unity....

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• Re: PAX PAPERS! AUGUST! COME! "..Can't We Just Be Friends?" Bill R 20:24:54 8/21/2000 (2)
  • Re: PAX PAPERS! AUGUST! COME! "..Yes, Kurasawa ... forgive the GGG Vita 20:39:41 8/21/2000 (1)
    • Re: PAX PAPERS! AUGUST! COME! "..Yes, Kurasawa ... forgive the GGG Bill R 20:46:04 8/21/2000 (0)

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: : : : Well!  It seems I have mis-assumed, and you have mis-assumed.
: : : : I never would have guessed that you were pagan, and your guess about my squeeky clean keyboard is totally wrong.  This board is older than I am.  It has enough dirt on it for a good sized garden to flourish.

: : : : Debate?  Okay.  One thought.  What is truth?  Is truth not that which never changes because it IS truth?  And if that is so, then man's religions, though meant to provide us enlightenment, must have little to do with actual truth - as religion evolves (changes) and therefore cannot BE truth itself?  Only an attempt to understand truth?

: : : : Bill R

: : : Dear Bill,

: : : Remember Pax Paper Paragraph, which containst:
: : : "Can't We Just Be Friends..."
: : : and the full paragraph is:
: : : " ... Unity, from what I gather, is the ticket. That's the contemporary ideal, the cat's meow. But how? When? At what cost? We all quickly say we're all for unity, for no one really wants to say they're in favor of disunity but this unity remains undefined, meaningless and unchallenged. It's like saying, 'I'm against breast cancer' ... no one is actually for breast cancer but it feels good to buy anti-breast cancer stamps and declare we're against it.  It doesn't mean all that much really. What is it we really aim to achieve? It seems to me, in my stubborn way of seeing things, that what we're really thinking is this; I want to be your friend and feel good about this friendship so, please don't bring up things we might disagree upon because though I like to call myself enlightened and open minded, the truth is, I won't forgive you for holding a differing opinion which will lead to my not really liking you, and of course, I might find myself to be less open minded than I care to admit. Can't we just be friends? Is this the real unity we want? Isn't this what we really mean when we speak of being tolerant? I'd much rather have my viewpoints challenged, probed, and tested than neatly, kindly tolerated without examination. "

: : : Hmmm... more to debate!
: : : Hey, re. Pagan... hmmm I am also a Wicca witch. OK, just kidding. I studied it, interesting, just the way I studied Rosicrucians and their rituals.
: : : I am too many things to be One Thing, alone.
: : : But there is GOD. 
: : : Come, Bill... I still owe you 2 books...! See, am forgetful, too. Blame it on too many shocks to my system.
: : : Meanwhile, let's delve into the above paragraph!

: : : Vita ...:-)

: : Unh, Vita?  I love you dearly, but in order to debate, don't we sorta have to be on the same sheet of music - topic wise?  I test the waters with "truth" and you respond with "unity"?
: : I don't know how to debate in parallel......sorry.  My brain is too tiny.  

: : Bill R

: Dear Bill,

: Any which way.... Debate, I mean.
: Actually.... Truth and Unity have mych in common! For example, there are as many truths as there are view/vantagepoints. Remember Akiro Hirasata (I may be misspelling his last name, right now....) movie, Rashomon?
: Truth is being manipulated by those who want to prevent Unity....


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