Re: Mr. Squeaky Clean

Posted by JC on August 19, 1998 at 11:04:14:

In Reply to: Re: Mr. Squeaky Clean posted by Victoria on August 19, 1998 at 10:18:04:

: You all know I had my suspicions as to Hawkeye's motives against our little Magua. What I heard at One-eyed William's Tavern may just change your mind.

: Hawkeye has grown up among the Delaware, the most disaffected tribe from the Iroquois, who have been cozened by the Gray Hair into the British fold. He professes great animosity against them, who he calls Mongos and devils. He was found by Chingachgook with two French trappers, showing that not only the Lenape in general allowed the French among them, but that during the years he spent with "the Sarpent" he also 'had truck'with them. Was not his moniker "La Longue Carabine" and not the Longrifle? We all saw the meaningful look at Cameron's cabin when we learned they were on their way to find "a Delaware speaking woman" for Uncas. This means they had chosen to look among the Shawanese, the other most disaffected tribes against the British, "cousins" to the Lenape. It was the Delaware and Shawanese who quit the British cause after Braddock's Defeat, fought for the French, and were found in the encampments about Fort Duquesne. The children of Uncas and his intended would have grown up in Can-tuc-kee, at some distance from the actual fighting but close to the French posts in the southern part of the Northwest Territory.

: I think Hawkeye was against his friends "joining in that fight" not because he felt no call, but because he would be on the opposing side.

: I therefore say he is not the "total hero" just as Magua is not the "total villain", as some of you think. I think that we should reexamine his words at the Huron Village. His loyalties are suspect, and his words, which infected our minds against Magua, were twisted.

: Furthermore, I believe they were also headed to Can-tuc-kee for a rendezvous with the le Voyageur who has been leaving moccasin tracks with the unfamiliar construction pattern around our frontier post. Soon I think we will get a better look at him, and then you can tell me what you think. Perhaps he came here when Hawkeye didn't show.

: Did I change your mind?

: Victoria

Victoria,
I wasn't in on this conversation, but what you are saying makes a lot of sense to me. Especially when you tie it in with what Gayle and Elaine and the others were saying yesterday about Cooper's Hawkeye and how he always made the reference of being "a man without a cross". I think it was Gayle that said he didn't want to be put in the position where he would have to choose between his friends and his own race (if I understood what Gayle was saying correctly!) If this is true, Hawkeye and Magua are not so different.

JC

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• Re: Mr. Squeaky Clean Victoria 14:12:28 8/20/98 (0)
• Re: Mr. Squeaky Clean Gayle 12:16:09 8/19/98 (2)
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    • Re: Mr. Squeaky Clean Gayle 14:34:20 8/19/98 (0)

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: : You all know I had my suspicions as to Hawkeye's motives against our little Magua.  What I heard at One-eyed William's Tavern may just change your mind.  

: : Hawkeye has grown up among the Delaware, the most disaffected tribe from the Iroquois, who have been cozened by the Gray Hair into the British fold.  He professes great animosity against them, who he calls Mongos and devils.  He was found by Chingachgook with two French trappers, showing that not only the Lenape in general allowed the French among them, but that during the years he spent with "the Sarpent" he also 'had truck'with them.  Was not his moniker "La Longue Carabine" and not the Longrifle?  We all saw the meaningful look at Cameron's cabin when we learned they were on their way to find "a Delaware speaking woman" for Uncas.  This means they had chosen to look among the Shawanese, the other most disaffected tribes against the British, "cousins" to the Lenape.  It was the Delaware and Shawanese who quit the British cause after Braddock's Defeat, fought for the French, and were found in the encampments about Fort Duquesne. The children of Uncas and his intended would have grown up in Can-tuc-kee, at some distance from the actual fighting but close to the French posts in the southern part of the Northwest Territory.

: : I think Hawkeye was against his friends "joining in that fight" not because he felt no call, but because he would be on the opposing side.

: : I therefore say he is not the "total hero" just as Magua is not the "total villain", as some of you think.  I think that we should reexamine his words at the Huron Village.  His loyalties are suspect, and his words, which infected our minds against Magua, were twisted.

: : Furthermore, I believe they were also headed to Can-tuc-kee for a rendezvous with the le Voyageur who has been leaving moccasin tracks with the unfamiliar construction pattern around our frontier post.  Soon I think we will get a better look at him, and then you can tell me what you think. Perhaps he came here when Hawkeye didn't show. 

: : Did I change your mind?

: : Victoria

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: Victoria,
: I wasn't in on this conversation, but what you are saying makes a lot of sense to me.  Especially when you tie it in with what Gayle and Elaine and the others were saying yesterday about Cooper's Hawkeye and how he always made the reference of being "a man without a cross".   I think it was Gayle that said he didn't want to be put in the position where he would have to choose between his friends and his own race (if I understood what Gayle was saying correctly!) If this is true, Hawkeye and Magua are not so different.  

: JC 


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