Re: Magua and Alice - now there's a thought!

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Posted by ann on August 04, 1998 at 16:51:55:

In Reply to: Re: Magua and Alice - now there's a thought! posted by Gayle on August 04, 1998 at 15:20:56:

: : ...remember on the cliff edge where he looks almost gentle and afraid when she walks towards the edge, how he lingers a second when she throws herself off, as if hes a little in shock..could it be that at the moment he wanted to make a fresh start with the beautiful young innocent?????

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: : I agree completely. He didn't attempt to coax Alice from the ledge out of kindness. Magua wanted to take Alice to the Hurons of the Lake, and let all of them enjoy her demise.Well, I guess that is sort of kind- in a Magua-way.Ha,Ha.
: : The long version of how I feel about Alice/Magua is posted yesterday. As for the seeming indifference he showed after Alice jumped, I think is just reflects his lack of respect for human life.It was as if a leaf had fallen from a tree, of no more concern. She was nothing to him, except a means to achieve vengeance.
: : Kathy S

: Time to weigh in on this one. I must have been watching a different movie altogether than you guys were!! I saw Magua, with a cold, heartless expression, stretch out a bloodied hand and arm toward Alice and give two of the most vicious, arrogant demands for obedience I have ever seen in my life! It said "Come here, b***ch. Now." Replay that scene. LOOK at those gestures! What would you have done? Alice had the one lucid moment she probably ever had in her whole life. She saw exactly what the future held for her, and she made the same choice she would have made if Uncas had never existed - the same choice any woman would have made under the circumstances. I think Wes Studi at that moment was the penultimate actor, and that stance and those two gestures deserve to go down in history with the finest example of acting ever produced in one brief moment.

: Gayle

I agree wholeheartedly, Gayle, that Magua's gesturing Alice back from the ledge was Wes'finest moment in the film. My impression, however, was that with a slight flicker in his eyes as he stared into Alice's eyes, he showed the first spark of humanness. For a split second he seemed to read the hopelessness in Alice's eyes, lowered his knife, and gestured with more empathy seen from him before......my thought after he walked away was -- why did he care even for an instant, since his whole purpose was to end the "gray hair's" seed?.....ann

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: : : ...remember on the cliff edge where he looks almost gentle and afraid when she walks towards the edge, how he lingers a second when she throws herself off, as if hes a little in shock..could it be that at the moment he wanted to make a fresh start with the beautiful young innocent?????

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: : : I agree completely. He didn't attempt to coax Alice from the ledge out of kindness. Magua wanted to take Alice to the Hurons of the Lake, and let all of them enjoy her demise.Well, I guess that is sort of kind- in a Magua-way.Ha,Ha.
: : : The long version of how I feel about Alice/Magua is posted yesterday. As for the seeming indifference he showed after Alice jumped, I think is just reflects his lack of respect for human life.It was as if a leaf had fallen from a tree, of no more concern. She was nothing to him, except a means to achieve vengeance.
: : : Kathy S

: : Time to weigh in on this one. I must have been watching a different movie altogether than you guys were!! I saw Magua, with a cold, heartless expression, stretch out a bloodied hand and arm toward Alice and give two of the most vicious, arrogant demands for obedience I have ever seen in my life! It said "Come here, b***ch. Now." Replay that scene. LOOK at those gestures! What would you have done? Alice had the one lucid moment she probably ever had in her whole life. She saw exactly what the future held for her, and she made the same choice she would have made if Uncas had never existed - the same choice any woman would have made under the circumstances. I think Wes Studi at that moment was the penultimate actor, and that stance and those two gestures deserve to go down in history with the finest example of acting ever produced in one brief moment.

: : Gayle

: I agree wholeheartedly, Gayle, that Magua's gesturing Alice back from the ledge was Wes'finest moment in the film. My impression, however, was that with a slight flicker in his eyes as he stared into Alice's eyes, he showed the first spark of humanness. For a split second he seemed to read the hopelessness in Alice's eyes, lowered his knife, and gestured with more empathy seen from him before......my thought after he walked away was -- why did he care even for an instant, since his whole purpose was to end the "gray hair's" seed?.....ann

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