Re: Alice, Magua, Uncas...

Posted by Mike Zeares on October 31, 1997 at 02:51:33:

In Reply to: Re: Alice, Magua, Uncas... posted by maggie on October 30, 1997 at 09:50:19:

: I've never thought of Magua's reaction as "oh well" or "win some, lose some". He seems totally perplexed by Alice's suicide. For me, this scene exemplifies the idea that this was Alice's victory over her tormentor. She does something utterly alien to Magua, something he simply cannot understand. The expressions are fleeting, but I like to think there was even some admiration for her sacrifice in the moments after her leap. (Okay, I may be stretching that one, but we all see things with our own eyes. More reason to praise Wes Studi.)

I also got the impression that Magua was confused by Alice's actions. The look on his face as he motioned to her was sort of like, "what's wrong with her?" His look after she jumped looked like, "The hell?" He may have heard that European women were frail and submissive, and her act of defiance surprised him. Incredible acting in that scene, with nothing but facial expressions. That last look from Alice was chilling.

I'm curious about what an Eastern Woodland Native's attitude towards suicide would have been at that time. Would they have admired Alice for her courage, or thought she was crazy?

Mike

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: : I've never thought of Magua's reaction as "oh well" or "win some, lose some". He seems totally perplexed by Alice's suicide. For me, this scene exemplifies the idea that this was Alice's victory over her tormentor. She does something utterly alien to Magua, something he simply cannot understand. The expressions are fleeting, but I like to think there was even some admiration for her sacrifice in the moments after her leap. (Okay, I may be stretching that one, but we all see things with our own eyes. More reason to praise Wes Studi.)

: I also got the impression that Magua was confused by Alice's actions.  The look on his face as he motioned to her was sort of like, "what's wrong with her?"  His look after she jumped looked like, "The hell?"  He may have heard that European women were frail and submissive, and her act of defiance surprised him.  Incredible acting in that scene, with nothing but facial expressions.  That last look from Alice was chilling.

: I'm curious about what an Eastern Woodland Native's attitude towards suicide would have been at that time.  Would they have admired Alice for her courage, or thought she was crazy?

: Mike


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