Re: American Heros

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Posted by Gayle on July 14, 1998 at 10:20:00:

In Reply to: Re: American Heros posted by Elaine on July 14, 1998 at 09:44:24:

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: : Are you suggesting that the Leatherstocking tales be done in
: : entirety?

: > An interesting possibility. (Can't be DDL again. Not the series type, I don't think. I hear he's being courted for the role of Sleepy Hollow's Ichabod Crane!!!! Imagine that. A good change for him, I think.)

: I would love to see how man would handle Northwest Passage.

: > Me too!

: .... Robert Rogers by all accounts was a rather ugly man.....short, big nose,
: : rough face (straighten me out here Major Bray, also face pitted from smallpox?)....rather stocky in form. Don't know who that might be among contemporary actors....but Mann could certainly improve upon the movie given what he did with LOTM.

: >Ugly, short, big nose, rough face, stocky.......... Gosh! You've set us up to be very mean and insulting if we make any suggestions!
: And Mann did a terrific, wonderful, stellar job on LOTM, but .... he didn't improve upon the story, he made it more palatable for contemporary audiences and he was working with an entirely different medium; film is vastly different from literature. AND ... to pick up on the discussions on Hawkeye/Uncas/Cora/Alice .... Mann created a romantic hero with his Hawkeye, Cooper's was anything but. So, the romantic, leading man must have his love. This, more than anything else, I think may have been why Mann switched the couples. Cora was the elder, as was Hawkeye, so she was the logical choice. And that left Alice for Uncas (kicking poor Duncan out of the picture. That guy NEVER gets a break!)

: But, I still don't see why Mann wrote out the mulatto blood of Cora ......... I don't see any problem with Hawkeye accepting such
: a heritage. It may have been easier for him than the true blue English.... ????????

: (I still don't see this as a Cooper vs. Mann thing. Both are deserving of admiration for their achievements.)

: Elaine

At last I find something on which I disagree with you, Lainey! Wow! Cool! .......I do think Mann improved on the whole plot by making Hawkeye more human - a real man, actually. The Cooper Hawkeye was so completely incapable of responding to other people on any level at all, that there were rocks in the story that were more fun than he was. Even Cooper's Cora, truly wonderful heroine though she was, was nothing but a guide assignment in the eyes of La Longue Carabine. So Mann made a functional hero out of Hawkeye and matched him with a good heroine ( although she would have been more believable had she been a little more woodsy and a little less elite). Now he has the ingredients of an adventure hero who can really catch on. The Hawkeye/Chingachgook/Cora combo could make a great sequel no matter who is cast in the roles, right? Not right?

Gayle

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Re: American Heros Elaine 10:50:50 7/14/98 (9)
- Re: American Heros Gayle 12:08:42 7/14/98 (8)
  - Re: American Heros Elaine 13:58:41 7/14/98 (1)
    - Re: American Heros Gayle 15:11:50 7/14/98 (0)
  - Re: American Heros Ayesha 12:21:37 7/14/98 (5)
    - Re: American Heros Gayle 12:51:12 7/14/98 (4)
      - Re: American Heroines .... Dr. Mary Style Elaine 13:20:33 7/14/98 (3)
        
        Re: American Heroines .... Dr. Mary Style Mary 15:21:04 7/14/98 (1)
        
        Re: American Heroines .... Dr. Mary Style Elaine 20:59:12 7/14/98 (0)
        
        Re: American Heroines .... Dr. Mary Style Gayle 15:00:25 7/14/98 (0)

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: : : Are you suggesting that the Leatherstocking tales be done in
: : : entirety?

: : > An interesting possibility. (Can't be DDL again. Not the series type, I don't think. I hear he's being courted for the role of Sleepy Hollow's Ichabod Crane!!!! Imagine that. A good change for him, I think.)

:
: : I would love to see how man would handle Northwest Passage.

: : > Me too!

: : .... Robert Rogers by all accounts was a rather ugly man.....short, big nose,
: : : rough face (straighten me out here Major Bray, also face pitted from smallpox?)....rather stocky in form. Don't know who that might be among contemporary actors....but Mann could certainly improve upon the movie given what he did with LOTM.

: : >Ugly, short, big nose, rough face, stocky.......... Gosh! You've set us up to be very mean and insulting if we make any suggestions!
: : And Mann did a terrific, wonderful, stellar job on LOTM, but .... he didn't improve upon the story, he made it more palatable for contemporary audiences and he was working with an entirely different medium; film is vastly different from literature. AND ... to pick up on the discussions on Hawkeye/Uncas/Cora/Alice .... Mann created a romantic hero with his Hawkeye, Cooper's was anything but. So, the romantic, leading man must have his love. This, more than anything else, I think may have been why Mann switched the couples. Cora was the elder, as was Hawkeye, so she was the logical choice. And that left Alice for Uncas (kicking poor Duncan out of the picture. That guy NEVER gets a break!)

: : But, I still don't see why Mann wrote out the mulatto blood of Cora ......... I don't see any problem with Hawkeye accepting such
: : a heritage. It may have been easier for him than the true blue English.... ????????

: : (I still don't see this as a Cooper vs. Mann thing. Both are deserving of admiration for their achievements.)

: : Elaine

: At last I find something on which I disagree with you, Lainey! Wow! Cool! .......I do think Mann improved on the whole plot by making Hawkeye more human - a real man, actually. The Cooper Hawkeye was so completely incapable of responding to other people on any level at all, that there were rocks in the story that were more fun than he was. Even Cooper's Cora, truly wonderful heroine though she was, was nothing but a guide assignment in the eyes of La Longue Carabine. So Mann made a functional hero out of Hawkeye and matched him with a good heroine ( although she would have been more believable had she been a little more woodsy and a little less elite). Now he has the ingredients of an adventure hero who can really catch on. The Hawkeye/Chingachgook/Cora combo could make a great sequel no matter who is cast in the roles, right? Not right?

: Gayle

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