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vet777a
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 Posted - August 23 2003 : 6:49:43 PM
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Who can tell me more about the Fight at Crazy Women Fork in July of 1866? I have read Dee Browns account of it in 'The Fetterman Massacre', but have not been able to find much more. I know that a young Lt James Bradley was involved. He was the one that 10 years later road with Gibbons command and discoved last stand hill.
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frankboddn
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 Posted - August 28 2003 : 04:07:39 AM
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Vet777A, Dee Brown gave a fairly good account of the fight in his book. I can go into it a little here, but would need to research it more. I suggest you read western novelist Terry C. Johnston's book Sioux Dawn in which the fight is covered. You know that Red Cloud basically said that if anyone crossed Crazy Woman Crossing, they'd die. There were more fights and skirmishes there than at any other single place. As they approached the Crazy Woman, Lt. Daniels and another officer went off hunting. Might have been Wands or Bradley. They came back at a run minutes later. Or Wands or Bradley did. Daniels' horse came running back with an arrow in its withers and a bloody saddle. The wagon train was in a sandy area and headed for some high ground to make their stand. There's so much to say here, and it's almost 1:00 a.m., I'll add more tomorrow. I'm not sure about the Lt. Bradley you mentioned. I have been to the site of the fight twice. It's hard to find unless you know what you're looking for. There's several signs briefly describing the fight and pointing the way to certain landmarks, such as where the sandy area was, where the highground was. There is a marker to Lt. Daniels and a sergeant having died there. Curiously enough, my first trip there was in 1997, and the marker was by itself in a different location. I went there last summer, 2002, and it was moved about a quarter or half a mile to the south, where a cul de sac was made with the new signs and indicating entirely different positions than I had been told about by Terry Johnston in 1997, who had done exhaustive research on the battle for his book. Really, read his book if you can. I'll add more when I can. Let me know if there's anything specific about the fight you're interested in. |
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vet777a
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Posted - August 30 2003 : 1:18:28 PM
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| Frankboddn: Thank you so much for the information. I did read Dee Browns book. That is what excited me. I will get Souix Dawn as you suggest. I go to Wyoming at least 5 times a year. I have seen many sites and love the Big Horns. I just have not been able to get to Crazy Women Fork. Is it closer to Kaycee or Buffalo? I also want to know If The Dull Knife Fight area is at all accessible. Thanks again for the inofrmation. |
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frankboddn
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Posted - September 08 2003 : 12:03:58 AM
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 Vett, I had answered this, the question about whether Crazy Woman Crossing was closer to Buffalo or Kaycee, in a long answer last week, and for some reason it didn't get posted. I'll do it again when I have more time. Crazy Woman Crossing is fairly easy to find. Dull Knife site, the easiest way, and almost the only way, to see it now is with a pre-set tour with Cheri Graves, who is fifth-generation owner and will do it only if she leads it, due to past unauthorized taking of artifacts. Plus, it's a huge battlefield with lots of hiking and must be done with someone who knows what the're talking about. Which is Mrs. Graves. Also, there is a wonderful little museum in Kaycee called Hoofbeats of the Past that has yearly tours to the Dull Knife site, set up by them and led by Cheri. It's probably only once a year. Type in Hoofbeats of the past and you'll find their website, I think with details of their tours. I'll give you some directions when I have more time. |
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frankboddn
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Posted - September 08 2003 : 12:08:06 AM
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| Vet: I just did a search for the museum. It's "Hooprints of the Past" or just type in Kaycee and they'll have a link. Hoofprints, not Hoofbeats. They also have tours to the Hole in the Wall Gang territory and the Johnson County cattle wars. |
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BJMarkland
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Posted - December 21 2003 : 3:58:09 PM
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Hi guys! At my site, I am transcribing all first person & secondary source documentation I can find regarding the Ft. Phil. Kearney saga. The URL for my site (currently a combo genealogical / history site) is:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~familyinformation/
Under NEW, look for the Ft. Phil. Kearney Resources and it will take you to the index. You can also get there from the Table of Contents by selecting Transcripts and at the next index page, selecting History.
So far, I have about 90% of the testimony of the Special Commission which investigated the Fetterman Battle on-line as well as various other documents, including a report by Capt. Burrows who rescued Wands's party after the death of Lt. Daniels. I just posted today a register of graves which used to be located at Ft. Phil. Kearney (they were moved in the 1880's? to Little Big Horn National Cemetery).
I also have on the site a transcript of Custer's report on finding the bodies of Maj. Elliot and his men after the Battle of the Wa****a. Now all I have to do is find where I put the copies the report of the Battle of Beecher's Island to get that transcribed <grin>.
Best of wishes for a Joyous and Safe Christmas,
Billy |
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - December 21 2003 : 7:17:48 PM
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Originally posted by BJMarkland
Hi guys! At my site, I am transcribing all first person & secondary source documentation I can find regarding the Ft. Phil. Kearney saga. The URL for my site (currently a combo genealogical / history site) is:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~familyinformation/
Billy
Just want to thank you for spending all the time that you've done to put that stuff up. Your site is awesome, and we have used it before on these boards (just check out some of the Fetterman threads). Great work.
R. Larsen
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BJMarkland
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Posted - December 22 2003 : 11:41:27 PM
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Larsen, thanks for the compliment. It is, as you all know from your own research, a work of love.
BTW, last week I think I made a small find while looking through the Union Provost Marshall's Records Concerning 2 or more Citizens series, I found a letter from Capt. Maynadier, then at Ft. Laramie, requesting payment for the Indian messengers who had been sent out to entice the Indians of the Powder River country into coming into Laramie for the 1866 Treaty talks which Carrington "interrupted". While it does not give their tribal affiliation, which I assume to be Sioux, probably Brule of Spotted Tail's band, it does give their names. Minutiae, but still, perhaps their names haven't been known for 137 years.
Merry Christmas and the best of New Year's Wishes to all,
Billy
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BJMarkland
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Posted - January 01 2004 : 3:02:08 PM
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Frank, to get the thread back, somewhat, on topic. I found this yesterday while browsing through the Post Returns for Ft. Reno, D. T. over at Ft. Leavenworth.
Ft. Reno, D. T. Post Returns
M617 roll 1002
National Archives & Records Administration
D000840 roll 1002
Combat Arms Research Library (CARL)
Ft. Leavenworth, KS
December 1867 return
"December 2nd, a Detachment of 3 Non-Comd. officers and 20 Privates, under Command of Sergt. Geo. Gillaspy - Company "C" 18th Infantry, escorting train to Fort Phil Kearney D. T. was attacked by an overwhelming force of Indians at Crazy Womans [sic] Creek D. T. where the party was obliged to Corral for 3 days & until relieved by a Company of Cavalry from Fort Phil Kearney D. T. The Detachment's Casualties were 1 Man killed & 3 Wounded (4 Citizen teamsters Wounded)."
Killed was Pvt. Albert H. Edwards Co. C 18th Inf.
Wounded in action were: Gotleib Haarer, Pvt. Co. C, George Warner, Corp. Co. E, & William G. Burton, Pvt. Co. E, all of the 18th Inf.
I will bet that there is one heck of a story behind that little squib! I really must get into the Adjutant General's papers for the Dept. of the Platte. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, they are not microfilmed so that will necessitate a trip to D.C. or have them copied and mailed to me. Expensive either way  !!
Best of wishes,
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BJMarkland
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Posted - January 29 2004 : 05:12:13 AM
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Frank & all, I just purchased a new book on the Fetterman Massacre saga. It is fiction, albeit well-researched if the author did as well as he did on the LBH novel. The title is Moon of Bitter Cold by Frederick J. Chiaventone. It is in paperback.
Don't know how I had missed it in hardback as Chiave lives over in Weston,MO about 30 minutes from me. Of course, hadn't been buying as many books recently either but made up for it last night with the Christmas presents. Also purchased Cozzen's Apacheria about the Apache wars, 1865-? (it is upstairs and I am in the cellar so... ). Also picked up Brinstools <sp?> book on Custers Soldiers, Pfanz's Gettysburg: The First Day and a book on Jack the Ripper.
Life is good 
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frankboddn
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Posted - February 20 2007 : 12:09:27 PM
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Hi, Billy. Can't believe I'm replying to to this topic three years after the fact, but here it is. I do have Fred Chiviantone's Moon of Bitter Cold. It was a great book. About four years ago I went to the Bozeman Trail-Ft. Phil Kearny Days in Buffalo, Wy. and happened to sit at the same table as Fred and a friend of his whose name you'd know if I could remember it. I didn't have a clue who Fred was. He was all decked out in western garb, longish hair, very friendly. He said he had written a book and would have a table set up at the fort the next day to sell and inscribe his books. I went there and bought his book. I read his book and loved it. I found his book fairly closely followed Dee Brown's "The Fetterman Massacre," but was a novel with a story as well, and I loved the book. My biggest disappointment was I didn't also buy "A Road We Do Not Know" at the same time and have it also inscribed. I've hoped I'd run into him again at the LBHA seminars or Bozeman Days to meet up with him again and have it signed, which I've since bought.
Well, hope you read this. Better late than never.
You be good, too.
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frankboddn
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Posted - August 08 2007 : 03:15:32 AM
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Okay, better late than never. Here's a few pictures of Crazy Woman Crossing where Lt. Daniels was killed, along with an enlisted man with the Templeton wagon train:
Crazy Woman Crossing:
Lt. Daniels' marker:
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - August 08 2007 : 9:12:47 PM
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| You sir, have out done yourself, once again thank you for these fantastic photographs. |
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frankboddn
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Posted - August 09 2007 : 01:06:46 AM
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Originally posted by joseph wiggs
You sir, have out done yourself, once again thank you for these fantastic photographs.
Thank you, Joseph. Hey, I've got pictures I took from most of the major battle and skirmish sites in the northern plains, as well as the Texas revolution, such as Goliad, the Alamo and San Jacinto battlefield. Let me know if there's anyplace you might be interested in, and I might have some photos.
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - August 09 2007 : 8:31:34 PM
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Sir:
Your photos are great!!! They help so much in our comprehending and visualizing the events that occurred in this battle and other confrontations. The Big Horn and the Alamo have me mesmerized. Any photo's regarding these battles would be so greatly appreciated that I could not thank you in mere words. I have always believed and, will always believed that contributions of this nature are invaluable. Many of us wish we had the opportunity to visit and photograph historical sites of this nature.
You have done so and, unselfishly, shared your efforts with us. Pictures such as the one's you have submitted are contributions of wonder. Again, thank you so much. |
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frankboddn
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Posted - August 11 2007 : 12:02:28 AM
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| Joseph, if you look at the subjects of the Texas War for Independence and "The Alamo," I posted several pictures there a few days ago. I'll go to the Little Big Horn and post a few. Many people have already seen them on other forums, but some may not have. I'll post some now. |
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - August 11 2007 : 9:12:10 PM
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| Sir!!!I'm on my way!!! |
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