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This thread has become so long & cumbersome ... not to mention off track ... that I will lock it.

In the future, if anyone simply MUST insult another, please do it elsewhere. Privately.

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Originally posted by Dark Cloud

But I don't fear anyone reading that, Benteen, as Wiggs does people seeing his undeniable history of incompetent and often dishonest posting through the years. And he a supposed former cop. Of course, the problem referenced with that thread, as with so many others, was the poster called Warlord, whose posts were removed from the board by the administrator.

And, by making that observation, you discount the officers of the 7th as people, because we're to be able to savage with utterly fabricated or hypothesized nonsense those who can't respond but not nail those who do so? And do so for their own current elevation with no regard for honesty or truth? Doubt that was in the Administrator's mind.

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Originally posted by Dark Cloud

This is an attempt to divert attention from Wiggs' past. He got hammered so badly, and by so many, on his previous thread ALSO entitled Benteen's Orders that he hopes those seeking referenced evidence of his fabrications, incoherence, plagiarism, inability to understand his own posts (because he sometimes lifted them from others)and his lies will find this one instead. In other words, another lie.

The original Benteen's Orders thread is here:

http://www.mohicanpress.com/messageboard2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=145

Wiggs, were he honest, would want the newbie to read it. He isn't, and he doesn't.

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Originally posted by Benteen

Not too bad a start Joe. Billy has some good info at his webpage, http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~familyinformation/#custer

Look for:
Telegrams Sent to Gen. Sheridan in Chicago Containing Gen. Terry's Initial Report of the Little Big Horn
Pgs. 1-5 Pgs. 6-10 Pgs. 11-15 Pgs. 16-23

While it is in Terry’s handwriting and at times difficult to read, it is quite enlightening, especially page's 6 through 10.

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Originally posted by AZ Ranger


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While I don't think Benteen set any land speed records in getting back to where things were "happening", I don't think he violated a "lawful order" (or rather, a lawful message).
For that to occur he would have had to have either ignored the summons in the first place or, when he met up with Reno and found those men fit and ready to rumble, decided to stay put. But what he found was a miserable set of mostly beaten men more or less unfit for offensive operations of any kind. So he elected to stay and help with he defense. Some say that this saved him and Reno and doomed Custer--but I reckon Custer was probably already doomed, and had Benteen ridden in all haste to Custer, by the time he arrived his men would have probably been in no real condition to help Custer or even themselves.
I should add that I'm one who thinks Benteen should never been sent off (at the time he was sent) in the first place. Then there would have been no need for a "Come Quick" note. Benteen would have been with Reno, together perhaps actually "driving" the village and giving Custer the time he evidently needed to figure out how he was going to give Reno that promised support.
Oh--what might have been!!!!

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Originally posted by AZ Ranger


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While I don't think Benteen set any land speed records in getting back to where things were "happening", I don't think he violated a "lawful order" (or rather, a lawful message).
For that to occur he would have had to have either ignored the summons in the first place or, when he met up with Reno and found those men fit and ready to rumble, decided to stay put. But what he found was a miserable set of mostly beaten men more or less unfit for offensive operations of any kind. So he elected to stay and help with he defense. Some say that this saved him and Reno and doomed Custer--but I reckon Custer was probably already doomed, and had Benteen ridden in all haste to Custer, by the time he arrived his men would have probably been in no real condition to help Custer or even themselves.
I should add that I'm one who thinks Benteen should never been sent off (at the time he was sent) in the first place. Then there would have been no need for a "Come Quick" note. Benteen would have been with Reno, together perhaps actually "driving" the village and giving Custer the time he evidently needed to figure out how he was going to give Reno that promised support.
Oh--what might have been!!!!

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Originally posted by Benteen

Joe,

Everything Benteen and Reno did long after the fact was point the finger the other way. It was designed to show Custer's incompetence, that's what they wanted everyone to believe, and Wallace was Reno's accomplice in chief in this. No one is saying the dreaded "conspiracy" word here, because I for one don't believe that for a moment. If there was one, it was a conspiracy of silence. But like most wars/battles, they quite naturally wouldn't and didn't want to talk about it. Nothing unnatural there at all. The motive behind each and every man's word must be examined carefully. For example Benteen's statements to the court. While many view those words as "funny" or "derisive", "poking fun" etc... they really were not. He actually meant everything he said. Take for example the moment when he chose to tell the court about Crook's battle and his fight, note particularly when he brought that subject up in relation to the questions asked. See a correlation?

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The Army, understandably, was not about to allow the truth to stain the honor of the military. Custer and his men were dead. The survivors had to be exonerated or the heretofore public cries of "cowardice" would become a matter of public record. The Inquiry was the only way to stifle these allegations. An actual Court Martial when have blown the case wide open.

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Originally posted by AZ Ranger


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While I don't think Benteen set any land speed records in getting back to where things were "happening", I don't think he violated a "lawful order" (or rather, a lawful message).
For that to occur he would have had to have either ignored the summons in the first place or, when he met up with Reno and found those men fit and ready to rumble, decided to stay put. But what he found was a miserable set of mostly beaten men more or less unfit for offensive operations of any kind. So he elected to stay and help with he defense. Some say that this saved him and Reno and doomed Custer--but I reckon Custer was probably already doomed, and had Benteen ridden in all haste to Custer, by the time he arrived his men would have probably been in no real condition to help Custer or even themselves.
I should add that I'm one who thinks Benteen should never been sent off (at the time he was sent) in the first place. Then there would have been no need for a "Come Quick" note. Benteen would have been with Reno, together perhaps actually "driving" the village and giving Custer the time he evidently needed to figure out how he was going to give Reno that promised support.
Oh--what might have been!!!!

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Let me understand what you are saying. Your life and the life of your comrades are on the line and the fact that Benteen did not "break any land speeds" is o.k. with you?

We know that you are the one who constantly says that Benteen should not have been sent on his mission, despite the posted rationality and reality that says he should have and, in fact, was actually sent by Custer.

Now there are may be some who would think your assertion that you have the talent to out think a Civil War General may be preposterous. I don't. I know you to be an intelligent master like dc. One can only assume that you have had some particular training. If not, how about reading, understanding what your read, then come up with an assertion based on what actually occurred and, not what you think.

When Custer sent Benteen he did not know the length of the village. Without knowing this vital information, any strike may have opened an escape to the south. This would have been a violation of Terry's orders. All Benteen had to do was send a courier with the information he retrieved;he did not!

PS. The message was referred to an order at the Inquiry without any objection.

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Joe,

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The Army, understandably, was not about to allow the truth to stain the honor of the military. Custer and his men were dead. The survivors had to be exonerated or the heretofore public cries of "cowardice" would become a matter of public record. The Inquiry was the only way to stifle these allegations. An actual Court Martial when have blown the case wide open.

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The Inquiry "stifled" more than it revealed, had the job been properly and thoroughly investigated a Court Martial would have ensued. And your right the Inquiry could not "allow the truth to stain the honor of the military. Custer and his men were dead. The survivors had to be exonerated or the heretofore public cries of "cowardice" would become a matter of public record" and they was't about to do that,was they?

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