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movingrobewoman
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 Posted - May 07 2005 : 11:24:14 PM
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Okay, this is your opportunity to go wild--or not. What's the worst thing you've ever read, seen, or experienced in regards to Custer and the Little Bighorn? What had you running for the bathroom? Another planet? The local police? The area trauma centre?
Mine is one of those--it's so bad, it's great--"Seventh Cavalry" starring Randolph Scott. I mean, how can anyone hate a movie that, through no fault of its own, creates so many laughs?
Uhh ... I'm not a fan of Monaghan, either.
Hoka hey!
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Edited by - movingrobewoman on May 07 2005 11:25:34 PM
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - May 14 2005 : 10:39:13 PM
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| I never saw "Seventh Cavalry" but, I must admit that I found that the film they, "Died with Their Boots On" to be outrageously unbelievable. How could any movie be so completely and factually, incorrect? The only correct information was the name of Custer and Libby.! Somehow the producers managed to get their names right. Flynn's death scene was responsible for the emergence of the media's nonsensical, last to die, twentieth century fabrication. |
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - May 15 2005 : 5:45:27 PM
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Originally posted by joseph wiggs
I never saw "Seventh Cavalry" but, I must admit that I found that the film they, "Died with Their Boots On" to be outrageously unbelievable. How could any movie be so completely and factually, incorrect? The only correct information was the name of Custer and Libby.! Somehow the producers managed to get their names right. Flynn's death scene was responsible for the emergence of the media's nonsensical, last to die, twentieth century fabrication.
Joe--
I couldn't agree with you more. I do have a problem getting through "TDWTBO" because of all of the historical inaccuracies (as well as those Injuns with Brooklyn accents). But I can't think of any better casting than Flynn and de Havilland as Custer and Libbie. I'm not sure if the movie's heroic, last to die, LSH depiction is solely responsible for the modern day assumptions (I think earlier references in art and journalism did that, nearly as soon as the battle ended, yes, Dark Cloud) of "that's how it happened, Custer, by himself, at the end, yesiree," but it doesn't help matters any.
There is a strange blending of "Glory Hunter" and heroism in "They Died ...." The references to Van de Water are quite obvious--I heard that the script was modified once our involvement in WWII began.
I did record a clean copy of "Seventh Cavalry," which I think I can provide you with in future .... it is so funny it is classic.
Glad to see you posting again, Joe .... and hoka hey!
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Benteen
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Posted - May 15 2005 : 9:06:37 PM
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I don't ever remember seeing those movies. Of course if I had it would have had to have been back in the 60's. They just don't show those any more on tv. The one that i've been trying to find and not pay a kings ransom for is "Son of The Morning Star." I'm not sure that I want to lay out a lot of money for something that I haven't seen. Has anyone seen this one? And if so, how accurate is it?
Personally I have quite a few pet peeves when it comes to discussing Custer. So far I have managed not to go on the warpath over something that I just think is true. And I guess that's what gets me the most. It's those that pretend in some superfleous way that they know all there is to know about this subject, and then they support the old theory's and reject the new, siteing quote and verse to prove a point or theory that was propounded over 125 years ago. To me that's frustratingly sad. It's kind of like getting as far as we have the the Kennedy assassination and then comes along a guy who writes a book, which by the way makes him an automatic authority on the subject, saying that the [Case (is) Closed], just because he says so.
Just because someone writes a book on the subject doesn't make them and/or their theorys right, or for that matter an authority on the subject. As you can tell, another pet peeve. Why? Because there have been how many books written since the battle? And almost in each and every case they put forth their authoratative version of what happened. Yet today we still do not know.
As I said in the my first post here.
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For every theory of one's positive faith, factually asserted, that there is an equally opposing, negative faith, who factually asserts their theory. Thus further deepening the rift between them.
In this it really doesn't matter whether these findings are new or old. Facts are facts. Where one or more facts may support one, other facts tend to obstruct, confuse and confirm another's opposing views. The "new" findings for these people are just new fodder to feed their old theorys, and for them sadly, they can't see past the myths and legends of old.
In many cases of this neurosis we find a necrosis that sets in. The age old belief, and I do mean almost "faithlike", church going belief, that Custer was a hero, and that - that cannot and should not be forsaken or overtaken by anyone's petty views.
Opposing this are those whose views, that tend to put forth this new evidence in a light that paints Custer into a darker corner. And they prefer not to idolize or cherish someone who quite obviously to them "did something wrong."
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I guess for me it's quite obvious that perhaps he did do something wrong. Otherwise he would have lived to tell about what he did right. |
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hunkpapa7
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Posted - May 15 2005 : 9:55:34 PM
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Can anyone remember a tv series way back in the good old days,"Boots and Saddles"
Late fifties,early sixties.
And what was the name of the film that starred Dale Robertson,about the LBH 
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - May 15 2005 : 9:58:26 PM
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| Trish, has anyone ever told you that you are, at times, an oasis of sanity in a raging sea of turmoil? Because of people like you, I'm glad to be back. Hoka Hey mi Amiga!!! |
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wILD I
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Posted - May 16 2005 : 06:47:37 AM
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| I remember boots and saddles.I walked a mile to a tv shop just to stand at the window and watch it.[no sound] |
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - May 16 2005 : 12:57:38 PM
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Originally posted by Benteen
I don't ever remember seeing those movies. Of course if I had it would have had to have been back in the 60's. They just don't show those any more on tv. The one that i've been trying to find and not pay a kings ransom for is "Son of The Morning Star." I'm not sure that I want to lay out a lot of money for something that I haven't seen. Has anyone seen this one? And if so, how accurate is it?
Welcome to the forum, Captain. Heard you carried yourself rather well over yonder hills ... I happened to like "Son of the Morning Star." I recorded it when it first came on the telly--it's interesting now to see the multitude of newsbreaks regarding Gulf War I--and it was that movie that caused my current interest in Custer. Saying that, the movie is ponderous and frankly boring at times--but the producers did portray GAC as the enigma he was. I didn't like Gary Cole (GAC)--oh, I meant Mike Brady--but I thought David Straithorn, who played Benteen, was magnificent.
As for accuracy, many characters are missing--Wallace and Charley Reynolds are the two biggest MIAs, IMHO. The battle scenes are quite good, especially Reno's charge. But I am not, at heart, a battle expert, so others might help you there. But it was filmed in Montana, close to Hardin, I think ...
Hope that helps.
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frankboddn
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Posted - May 27 2005 : 01:46:48 AM
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| An obvious oversight here: Custer of the West with Robert Shaw, or the Shaw from "Jaws." The absolutely worst Custer movie ever made. I'll always love They Died With Their Boots On just because I was a huge Errol Flynn fan, and despite its inaccuracies, I've got to say that that movie was one of the main things that got my curiosity up and began my interest in the LBH. Custer of the West? Makes me want to vomit. |
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - May 27 2005 : 12:51:54 PM
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| You're absolutely correct. "Custer of the West" is awful--especially the Last Stand Hill scene. What continues to amaze me about the film is the four stars it receives from almost movie guide I have ever seen. |
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wILD I
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Posted - May 27 2005 : 2:59:47 PM
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - May 27 2005 : 5:33:30 PM
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Anyone ever see "F Troop".Best Western ever made.
First run, it was a little before my time. Was never particularly interested in Westerns as a genre until I "discovered" Custer in 1991 ... dunno where or if it reruns these days. Nick at Nite? TVLand? ITV?
Wasn't the premise the hilarious tales of this one company, out of necessity, re-formed after the LBH?
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alfuso
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Posted - May 28 2005 : 04:50:39 AM
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As far as I can recall, F TROOP took place right after the CW. Parmenter got the command for leading a "charge" -- (by accident, he thought he was leading a retreat) in late CW.
The series had some great laughs, especially between Forrest Tucker and Larry Storch and the Indians they did money-making schemes with (Indians got a cut).
I always imagine F TROOP eferred -- subtley -- to Fouled Up Troop (and, even, F'd Up Troop) Total lot of mishaps.
In one episode, Parmenter was sent to an officer's school, run by Custer. He came back a mustachio'd martinet (and did he look good!)
BTW, the Heckowee got their name by going up to a wagon train to ask directions. "Where the heck are we?" And the settlers thought that was their name.
A charming series. Most Un-PC.
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Anyone ever see "F Troop".Best Western ever made.
First run, it was a little before my time. Was never particularly interested in Westerns as a genre until I "discovered" Custer in 1991 ... dunno where or if it reruns these days. Nick at Nite? TVLand? ITV?
Wasn't the premise the hilarious tales of this one company, out of necessity, re-formed after the LBH?
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - July 03 2005 : 10:53:35 PM
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I remember boots and saddles.I walked a mile to a tv shop just to stand at the window and watch it.[no sound]
What a wonderful memory. I sincerely mean that. I think I would have been happy to have stood beside you and watched also. |
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