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wILD I
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 Posted - June 17 2004 : 2:46:12 PM
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| Seems it was a fashion in the 7th to strike subordinates.Did Custer not threaten to horse whip one of his officers?And I'v seen references to Keogh laying about him with his riding crop. |
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Dark Cloud
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wILD I
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Ireland
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Posted - June 18 2004 : 10:18:50 AM
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Dark Cloud
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wILD I
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Ireland
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Posted - June 28 2004 : 04:16:09 AM
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Question.
When Reno's command withdrew to the timber did it advance pivoting forward on its right company G as some books suggest or did it retreat pivoting backward on company G.
Anybody got any opinions on the behaviour of De Rudio?
He was 2i/c of A company which held the centre of the skirmish line yet some accounts have him entering the timber before the order to retreat there was given.He is well aware of the order to leave the timber but remains hidden there.When he discovers 10 or so other troopers still in the timber he makes no attempt to take command of them but leaves them to Herendeen and lies hidden with a sergeant Ryan for the next 36 hours.So possible the first man into the timber on the 25th he is the last out on the 27th.
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - June 29 2004 : 4:28:40 PM
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I hope the following helps Wild:
The only reference book that dealt with this event in depth (that I could find) was Kuhlman's Legend Into History. He writes that the skirmish line was formed near the site of the present headstone for Lt. McIntosh. "Its right rested on a narrow strip of timber running parallel, or nearly so, to an old riverbed. Troop "G" held the right, "A" the center, and "M" on the left."
In other words, facing the village, "G" is closest to the timber while "M" is the left flank of the line.
Kuhlman further states, "The troops moved into the edge of the timber and faced about, making the former "right" of the line now the "Left." It appears that the troops advanced forward, pivoting on "G".
Regarding DeRudio's behavior, he was often referred to as, "Count No Account", by other soldiers. It seems that a letter, he wrote, describing his exploits in the timber was fraught with exaggerations. It was also alleged that the letter was "Ghost Written" by someone else.
Apparently DeRudio, acting on a tip that Indians may have infiltrated the timber from the west, "Went with 5 or 6 men of company "A" to investigate." Seeing Indians to the high ground to his front and left,DeRudi and his men spent ten minutes taking pop shots at the warriors. Warned of the immanent "going out" of the troops, DeRudo alleges that he was left behind because he crawled 40 feet to retrieve a dropped guidon. While this could be described as an act of courage, crawling towards "20 or 30" hot and angry Indians could be construed as stupid. The third option, which is the most believable, is DeRudio lied. |
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Dark Cloud
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - June 29 2004 : 8:26:57 PM
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wILD I
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Ireland
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Posted - June 30 2004 : 03:32:16 AM
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Hi Wiggs
Many thanks for the info and for writing in contempory English.You have no idea what a pain in the butt that other style is.Is it possible that you are attempting to write in the same manner as Custer and his mates from the 1870s? You're English reminds me of those civil war letters---"I feel compelled to write a few lines that may fall under your gentle eye".I don't want to be rude but it does you're arguements no good at all.
We have been discussing the main players here but there are numerious secondary characters worth examining as well.
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