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Dark Cloud
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 Posted - March 17 2005 : 1:13:40 PM
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The burden of proof is on those who claim the problem was the equipment and not the men using it. If they had problems with the weapons at the Rosebud, they would have been required to report it. Further, there would have been all sorts of private mail about it. Funny that nobody except the 7th had these alleged problems en masse.
Nothing about it, and the Army kept the weapon for decades. Huh. You'd think the subject would have come up, especially in the controversy about the Rosebud between Crook and other officers. Bourke, however, like Bradley, thought highly of the Springfields. Isn't that strange? These officers who fought Indians on the frontier as much or more than Custer liked the weapons. Go figure. |
Dark Cloud
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BJMarkland
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Posted - March 18 2005 : 2:46:33 PM
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I am briefly back.
Beyond Vaughn, has anyone ever systematically performed analysis of the Rosebud battlefield? The reason I am asking is that since the area is, compared to LBH, pristine from contamination, the artifacts found there would likely be more conclusive regarding deficiencies in weapons/ammunition
Catch up with you all later, gotta get back to work. What a dirty four letter word!!! A certain pager is going to be thrown against the wall if it goes off one more time today. Twenty pages in one morning is too darned many!!!
I may have a chance to read up and respond either at work tonight or Sunday morning. If not, talk with you all next week.
Billy
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - March 24 2005 : 7:41:44 PM
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Billy (or anybody else)--
Is there a copy running about of any written orders from WT Sherman to Custer in regards to the Summer campaign of 1867--i.e., the course from the Big River camp to Ft. McPherson and/or any objectives--the summer campaign GAC so aptly left without leave in July of that year? I know orders came from Sherman, but am uncertain about the form or the wordage--if there were any ...
Hoka hey!
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BJMarkland
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Dark Cloud
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BJMarkland
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Posted - July 05 2005 : 10:12:13 AM
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For any interested, I have posted the first 30 pages (of 46 pages) of the Secretary of War's report to the Senate about the battle on the Wa****a. The partial file is in .pdf and may be found at this URL:
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~familyinformation/Custer/wa a_sec_war_report.pdf
Dave kindly pointed out that the censoring software at this site hosed up the name. Cut and paste the URL into your address bar, then where the *stars* are, type in the remainder of the letters of the name of the river where Black Kettle was killed.
Hopefully I can the rest scanned, OCR'd and proofed this week. If you spot any errors-typos, spellings, etc. let me know by PM.
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BJMarkland
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Posted - July 07 2005 : 2:54:44 PM
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OK, finished, beyond error-correction/formatting fixes, the Secretary of War's Report on the battle of the Wa****a. I have changed the name to avoid the censor software but the easy way to get there is to go to my main history page, select 7th Cav. & GAC Information, then the report.
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BJMarkland
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Posted - September 20 2005 : 9:25:47 PM
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OK, for those who were curious about target practice, amount of ammunition allowed, etc., go to www.lbha.org and under Message Boards/Battle Basics/Trapdoor Carbine & SAA Pistol, find the answer. It doesn't say how much that the 7th practiced but it does set the parameters to how much they could practice.
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Dark Cloud
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Posted - September 21 2005 : 3:26:56 PM
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Gee. A full pistol load and nine rounds for the carbine. Every month. Man, there's a hot shooting outfit, eh? No doubt, proof the Back of the Sioux War Machine was broken by Custer's Earps and Bumpos.
Of course, assuming this same war department also felt the need for each cavalryman should have an actual horse, we're left with the puzzling sight of the 7th's newish/more annoying troopers walking towards their supposed mounts as Custer headed for the LBH. These animals apparently didn't get the memo, and didn't show up. Or something. In any case, with that inspiring example of the 7th's attention to detail (and the Army's in general during those years), we can be sure each and every month meaningful, if brief, target practice was completed. The stories of soldiers selling their ammo, of officers in later life reflecting on the 'good old days' when no practice was done, must of course be false.
In any event, there are those mounds of dead Indians at $1 million (Robert Lincoln)each as proof.
If it appears on official stationary, we can be sure it happened. Would the Army mislead? I ask you. |
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Smcf
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Posted - February 17 2006 : 09:43:03 AM
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A scrapbook on the Wild West by illustrator James Earl Taylor
inc Battle of Wa****a clippings/photos etc.
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/naa/taylor/# |
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Smcf
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lorendead
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Posted - February 21 2006 : 11:32:13 AM
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Billy:By some chance would you have available a site to view Godfrey's original field notes? Not the article type but original field notes, I would like to see the original notes on the death of the soldier who refused to go on the Benteen charge. Thank you
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Don't sweat it, the MOA at Michigan is somewhat clumsy to navigate around.
I went over to the MOA site at Cornell and hit several jackpots. One is the Century Magazine article by then Capt. Godfrey, entitled, "Custer's Last Fight". Cornell does it smarter than the Michigan guys and gives you a URL you can use to bookmark the article, thus, we have:
http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/moa-cgi?notisid=ABP2287-0043-105
Click on the article's title and it will take you to the first page. If you want to print it out or save it, I would recommend using the VIEW AS option at the top left and changing it to a PDF file. You have to do this one page at a time, unfortunately, but Godfrey's article is only 28 pages and General Fry's comments at the end an additional two.
Billy
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Dark Cloud
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Posted - February 21 2006 : 12:16:45 PM
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Regarding the skirmish line photo, it's also from the reunion and by Barry, supposedly based on a remark overheard from Gall via translator. The soldiers face the rising sun, but in his commentary Barry said he's showing where Custer's first lines were as he backed up to where he fell. The photo itself was taken in what is now the cemetery. This, according to matching photos in Where Custer Fell, page 123-5.
How does the Cornell copy of Godfrey differ from what is in Graham? |
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Smcf
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Posted - February 22 2006 : 06:02:06 AM
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The photo itself was taken in what is now the cemetery
Thanks for that - it certainly looked to me to have been taken from the high ridge. Just goes to show what you can read into things. The perspective from there to Weir Point in the background seems to elevate the position and the man standing with hand on thigh seems to be close to a cairn or marker of some sort, which I mistook to represent Calhoun's position. |
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joseph wiggs
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Smcf
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Posted - February 20 2007 : 08:25:26 AM
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