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Originally posted by BJMarkland
I copied pgs. 55-102 of the Reno inquiry from microfilm today. I will attempt to get them scanned. If you don't like the quality of the freaking images, complain to the admin who maybe can retrieve my lengthy explanation of why they are as they are.

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I did contact Michno however and gave him the site. It's up to him if he would like to "show up".

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I did contact Michno however and gave him the site. It's up to him if he would like to "show up".

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Originally posted by Rocky76
Lt. Wrangler.....my hat is off to you and if you listen closely you will hear the sound of my applause...now I need to go back and study closely the problems you are professing lay within the Gray zone. Col. Steele of the eighth Cav. once told Cartwright that the rate of march was a standard 15 min. walk, 15 trot, 15 gallop and then 15 grazing....or something like that, at least the totals added up to an hour....I thought it was odd, but the man was a part of the longest cavalry march recorded.

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Originally posted by Rocky76
If I have something someone wants, just ask, sometimes I am not even sure how valuable it is to others.

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Originally posted by Wrangler
Given:

* Darling is correct in concluding that Benteen’s S2TL = 7 ¾ miles.
* Godfrey and Edgerly are incorrect in their distance estimates.
* Capt. Benteen’s horse walks @ 5-mph (Nichols, 432)
* Lt. Edgerly is correct in observing, ”Our march was a rapid one.” (Nichols, 441)
* Lt. Godfrey is correct in observing, “My company [K] was in the rear [of H Co. followed by D Co.] and I had quite often to give the command “trot” to keep up with the rest of the command.” (Nichols, 479)

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Originally posted by BJMarkland
Sheesh Wrangler, you are at it early!

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Originally posted by BJMarkland
The lecture by Capt. Sheldon in 1904 on the "Army on the March" has this interesting tidbit relevent to this thread (too much work to format it so I will just quote the pertinent portion):

The Army on the March
Capt. R. Sheldon
pg. 6

"The following has been. found to be the times
taken to perform a march of about fourteen miles;"

A regiment of cavalry or horse artillery under:
a) Good road under favorable conditions: 4 hrs.
b) On a bad road under favorable conditions: 6 hrs.
c) On a bad road under unfavorable conditions: 7 1/2 hours
d) Under very unfavorable conditions: 20 hours

"A train, etc. of a column"
a) 6 hrs. b) 10 hrs. c) 16 hrs. d) 20 hrs.

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Originally posted by Wrangler
You suggested, “I have to remind you guys that our limits on plausibility are not old textbooks or what have you, but what is left in the historical accounts themselves.” I provided you a reminder of what the historical accounts say, and I do understand that the validity of old textbooks must be confirmed or denied based on what is actually seen on the ground and in the testimony.

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In your post, you present an interesting scenario to be explored with regards to an off-scout distance of 15 miles. I look forward to your assessment of it. However, until then, I believe Darling is correct in describing the off-trail scout path and distance for Benteen's Battalion. Until someone can walk the ground, fly the plane over the area, and screen the testimony as he did--and provide a better explanation, I'll stick with Darling.

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However, I disagree with his using an unsubstantiated 3-mph as the speed for the trains. Especially given his analysis:

”The rate-of-march takes into account the actual terrain traversed as well as the facts known about the battalion's pace at the time. We know, for example, that Benteen was ordered to "ride rapidly," and the scout participants tell us a trot was maintained most of the time. This would have Benteen moving along faster than the regulation walk of four miles per hour. But not in this terrain, under the orders Benteen received from Custer. An adjustment is therefore made which places Benteen's rate at something faster than the pack train walk (3 miles per hour), but slower than the cavalry walk. The figure used is 3.4 miles per hour." (Darling, Benteen's Scout-to-the-Left, 12)

This explanation is not sufficient for me. Where did his 3-mph for the trains come from? If in anyone's mind the trains traveled faster or slower, than each interconnection and associated time has a high potential to change. Evidence previously excluded now has to be reconsidered and reconciled. If you believe the trains moved slower, you would find sympathy in Godfrey’s “…or 30 minutes” testimony about the length of the halt at the morass. If you believe the trains moved faster, you would find sympathy with Benteen’s “not 15 minutes” testimony. If you believe Gray and Darling’s 3-mph for the trains, you would find sympathy in Godfrey’s “20…minutes” and getting some additional speed out of Benteen and the boys to compensate for the location of the trains at the end of the column at the divide halt (and the time it takes for them to get to the 12:12 start point).

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Originally posted by BJMarkland
My apologies to any I offended with my frustration at the board and my own self for not doing a control C before attempting to post.

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