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bhist
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El Crab
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 Posted - November 03 2003 : 7:29:57 PM
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| Very cool, thanks Bob. |
I came. I saw. I took 300 pictures. |
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Rich
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Posted - November 03 2003 : 8:06:03 PM
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I'm surprised - it doesn't look all that different. Looks like they cut through a natural saddle.
Thanks for the pic! |
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Halmyers
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Posted - November 03 2003 : 9:42:06 PM
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Great pictures, really doesn't look like to much
changed. Thanks Bob |
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bhist
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Posted - November 03 2003 : 11:45:29 PM
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You're welcome, to all.
Weir Point is not dramatically different, but it's good to know what it looked like, exactly, at the time of the battle. Also, the 1905 photo is somewhat eerie in my opinion -- can't quite put my finger on it as to why, but it does. |
Warmest Regards,
Bob
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Rich
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Posted - November 04 2003 : 06:21:13 AM
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| ... 'cause it's much, much closer to then ... when it all happened!! |
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Dark Cloud
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Posted - November 04 2003 : 08:47:46 AM
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Many thanks. Remarkably cool photo. The grass down to nubs in the early photo and the clouds give it an ominous feel.
It's from a significant distance, but it still looks to me that it's fairly major change. Of the two peaks on the East/left, the one closest to the road looks more pointed and higher in the new photo, for some reason, and I'm guessing that it's a twenty odd foot drop for the road between those pictures. Can't say it affects any battle info, but it probably would have looked bigger and more massive from Reno Hill than it does now. |
Dark Cloud
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bhist
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Posted - November 04 2003 : 11:42:05 AM
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Good observation of the old photo, DC. I slightly touched it up with Photoshop (I did not alter the photo at all). I cropped it because the edges were in bad shape. There were a number of tiny black spots that I erased -- none of the enhancements I made changed what you see in the photo.
Rich and DC -- you helped me figure out why this photo strikes me with an odd feeling. As Rich stated, "... 'cause it's much, much closer to then ... when it all happened!!" -- is very true. And, DC appropriately adds to Rich’s comments, "The grass down to nubs in the early photo and the clouds give it an ominous feel."
Jim Brust's (who generously provided me his photo from 1995 of WP) hobby is collecting historical photos and he's done so much in helping us understand the changes that have taken place at LBH since the battle. He's working on a forthcoming book that I cannot wait to get my hands on. He's authoring it with Brian Pohanka and it will be a before and after photo expose on LBH. Pohanka will write the historical narrative while Brust discusses the photo shoots. I've seen many of the photos and the comparison shots are always a blast to look at.
I'm pleased that you all have benefited from Moorhouse and Brust's photos.
P.S. -- just spoke with John Doerner at LBH and it looks like winter has finally arrived at LBH. Just a week ago they were experiencing record breaking high temps in the high 80s. Today there is a blanket of snow and the snow continues to fall. For cool winter photos that John took last year click here http://www.friendslittlebighorn.com/Winter%20at%20Little%20Big%20Horn.htm
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Warmest Regards,
Bob
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pgb3
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Posted - November 06 2003 : 4:30:42 PM
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| Thanks for the photos. It is hard to tell because the angle is not the same, but it does appear that the saddle between the "sugar loaf" and the twin peaks is deeper in the new photo. |
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Dark Cloud
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Posted - November 07 2003 : 08:53:08 AM
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And seriously, how deep a cut was it? I said it looked like about twenty feet, which I cannot defend and admit is visual guesswork. I still think it would affect the view from Reno more than from LSH not because of the proximity as much as it would look, conceivably, a whole lot more substantial. Right now, looking north from Reno, WP looks like two entirely different formations, west and east.
For whatever reason, I sense it is from THAT viewpoint that the difference might be important, because it now makes Sharpshooter Hill clearly the 'high ground' from Reno that Benteen says they went to (not WP) and watched Weir return under fire (from WP, not further) in his letter to his wife. The confusion at the Inquiry between WP and Sharpshooter created a lot of the issues upon which the charges of coverup and worse were made. If WP was more substantial, maybe Benteen WAS referring to WP.
Mumble....... |
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frankboddn
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Posted - November 07 2003 : 11:22:10 AM
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 bhist, great comparison photos. I clicked on the site you posted for the winter pictures and couldn't find them. How do you find them? |
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vet777a
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Posted - November 07 2003 : 1:31:52 PM
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| bhist; Great pictures. Thanks. Its the ominus clouds above that struck me. Something one would see on a summers day in Montana back in 1876 as they would today. Its something that does not change and one could picture the troopers of Custer seeing the same thing as they rode over the bluffs. |
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bhist
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Posted - November 07 2003 : 4:30:55 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Cloud
And seriously, how deep a cut was it? I said it looked like about twenty feet, which I cannot defend and admit is visual guesswork. I still think it would affect the view from Reno more than from LSH not because of the proximity as much as it would look, conceivably, a whole lot more substantial. Right now, looking north from Reno, WP looks like two entirely different formations, west and east.
For whatever reason, I sense it is from THAT viewpoint that the difference might be important, because it now makes Sharpshooter Hill clearly the 'high ground' from Reno that Benteen says they went to (not WP) and watched Weir return under fire (from WP, not further) in his letter to his wife. The confusion at the Inquiry between WP and Sharpshooter created a lot of the issues upon which the charges of coverup and worse were made. If WP was more substantial, maybe Benteen WAS referring to WP.
Mumble.......
Dark Cloud: I never considered what you mention here but it makes sense. It’s amazing what one can learn or theorize from viewing the terrain at LBH. And, most of us, if not all take for granted that what the battlefield looks like today is the same as 1876. I’d be very interested if others have some thoughts from DC’s observations of the WP photos.
Frank: I was making some changes to the winter photos section of the Friends’ website so it’s possible that may have affected you not being able to get in. Try going to the main page, www.friendslittlebighorn.com -- click on “Home” then click on “Winter at Little Bighorn” navigation button at the top of the home page. You should be able to get into it this way.
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Warmest Regards,
Bob
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frankboddn
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Posted - November 07 2003 : 4:43:36 PM
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bhist, I got to the winter pictures. Thanks. I'm not sure I've ever seen pics of the LBH during the winter. Looks like a whole 'nother world.  |
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bhist
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Posted - November 07 2003 : 5:20:08 PM
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| Frank: Winter at LBH is a different world especially when you're standing at Last Stand Hill all by yourself. There is no traffic, no huge RVs rolling by and no smell of carbon monoxide. You look down toward the visitor center and see maybe four or five cars (including yours) in the parking lot. If you're lucky, it's a brisk, cold day but blue skies all around and as you walk the trails the only sound you hear are your footsteps crunching snow. It's really the best time to see LBH. I hope the photos convey that feeling in someway. At least they are eye openers because the only photos most people see of LBH are during the summer. |
Warmest Regards,
Bob
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - August 25 2004 : 9:24:37 PM
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| Bob, a belated but, appreciated "thank you." The photo's are wonderful! |
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JasonBury
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Posted - August 26 2004 : 8:01:55 PM
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| A very appreciative thanks from down under!.....living half a world away with the possibilty of never seeing the battle field these types of piccies are a god send......thank you again!.....you are right that first one is very eerie.... |
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bhist
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hunkpapa7
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Posted - November 27 2004 : 6:12:29 PM
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Why did the companies stop at Weir Point? What did they see or think they were seeing at the time?
If Weir was so desperate to help and join GAC why didn't he ? |
wev'e caught them napping boys
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - November 28 2004 : 8:50:53 PM
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Weir was distraught when he heard the "sound of firing" emanating from Calhoun Hill. Convinced that Custer's command was engaged in heated combat, he wished to join them. Disgusted with Reno's perceived timidity, he trotted off towards destiny. His subaltern, Lt. Edgerly assumed that Weir received permission to to so and followed with Company "D".
Eventually, other units followed in the wake of Capt. Weir. Upon arriving at Weir's Point, these troopers were confronted by hundreds of whooping, empowered, and blood seeking warriors and, wisely, retreated.
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - November 29 2004 : 01:14:44 AM
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Originally posted by joseph wiggs
Weir was distraught when he heard the "sound of firing" emanating from Calhoun Hill.
How do you know it came from Calhoun Hill?
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Convinced that Custer's command was engaged in heated combat, he wished to join them. Disgusted with Reno's perceived timidity, he trotted off towards destiny.
How do you know Weir felt that Reno did not want to do it out of timidity? Maybe Reno lucidly believed that they weren't able to make any such maneuver as of yet. Do you have evidence that Weir perceived Reno's emotions any differently?
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Eventually, other units followed in the wake of Capt. Weir. Upon arriving at Weir's Point, these troopers were confronted by hundreds of whooping, empowered, and blood seeking warriors and, wisely, retreated.
Hastily retreated, since they left behind a wounded man. "Wisely" implies more presence of mind in the decision than is suggested by the Charley incident.
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - November 30 2004 : 06:11:40 AM
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If questions such as "How do you know?" and "What's your evidence?" terrify you then you must have had a fine time in the intelligence biz. That's your alleged occupation, wasn't it?
Wiggs, do you have an answer --- for what I asked you, not Warlord?
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - November 30 2004 : 4:16:16 PM
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I have --- helping you out with Bourke, tracing the quote from Martin --- as you well know since you hysterically replied to each, and I will continue to do so. Don't fear to do the same. It's better than timorously calling me names, plus will actually accomplish something.
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - November 30 2004 : 5:03:28 PM
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Now that's just cowardly, Warlord. If I have used citations which had no reference to the subject at hand, then you have a duty to point them out. It's the only way I can make corrections, or expose your misunderstanding --- whatever the true case may be. Grow a spine and own up to your responsibility.
R. Larsen
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - December 02 2004 : 7:31:13 PM
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Anonymous Poster8169: I could say the same about you and your non-comprhension regarding growing a brain!
Not if you wanted to make any sense. You're better off sticking to wargames, Warlord, since you clearly can't handle the pressure of backing your words here.
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bhist
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Weir Point -- Before & After
