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biancafiore
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 Posted - August 13 2005 : 7:01:55 PM
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Does anyone know the exact place in Italy and date of trumpeteer John Martin's birth? I read somewhere that he fought with Garibaldi--is this true? Also, does anyone know when and why he came to the U.S.? Did he come alone or with a family? Where in the U.S. did he settle, and how did he wind up with Custer? One more question--what was the name of the soldier who rode the surviving horse Comanche? Any info will be appreciated. Thanks!
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - August 13 2005 : 10:14:52 PM
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biancafiore, welcome to the forum:
Giovanni Martini (John Martin) was born in 1851. He enlisted with Garibaldi's Army of Liberation as a drummer boy at the tender age of 14. He left his home (Italy) in 1873 and, upon arriving in the United States, almost immediately joined the army. He served from 1874 to 1904, retiring as a Sergeant. He had two sons who served in the military as well. Martin exemplifies the essence of what America is all about. A melting pot of wonderful individuals from every Country coming here seeking dreams;thus becoming American patriots. He died on Christmas eve, 1922, a loyal soldier to the last. I hope this information helps you in some small way. Again, welcome! |
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biancafiore
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Posted - August 14 2005 : 01:01:59 AM
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| Thanks so much! Do you by any change know in what town in Italy he was born? Thanks again! |
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - August 14 2005 : 01:45:20 AM
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Originally posted by biancafiore
Thanks so much! Do you by any change know in what town in Italy he was born? Thanks again!
You might want to try the Friends of the Little Bighorn website. There should be a muster roll for the Seventh, 1876. You need to have Adobe Reader to be able to decipher it:
http://www.friendslittlebighorn.com
Look under Joseph Martin or Giovanni Martini ... BTW, Comanche belonged to the handsone (!) Captain Myles Keogh (or Keough), commander of I company at LBH. Keogh, a native of Ireland, fought for the Pope before heading stateside to enlist in the Union army. I believe he joined the newly-formed Seventh in 1866 ... there are all kinds of "medicine" attached to the papal medallion he wore at his death at LBH. I'm sure wILD could add more.
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wILD I
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Posted - August 14 2005 : 12:45:43 PM
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I think De Rudio also fought for Garibaldi against the Papal army.Interesting to think that men who served on both sides in that conflict turned up on the same side in the 7th.Were there any exconfererates in the 7th?
Keogh served on General Buford's staff during the civil war and was with him at Gettysburg.Seems he was devoted to the General nursing him through a fatal illness.He appears in most of the group photographs of the Custer clann and I have always been of the opinion that if there was a stand made at the LBH it was made by Keogh and Calhoun.His story is told in The Honor of Arms by Charles L Convis |
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - August 14 2005 : 2:12:43 PM
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Thanks, wILD--
In Snelson's "Death of a Myth," he does make a strong case for a Keogh's Last Stand.
Back to Comanche ... I always thought that it is interesting that Tom Custer procured Comanche and couldn't ride him because the horse was the "wrong" colour! |
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wILD I
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Posted - August 15 2005 : 05:43:06 AM
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MRW
Comanche was one of a number of horses bought by the army from a Clem Bates who ranched in Indian territory.Unlike Custer's expensive Eastern horses Comanche was not a thoroughbred.He stood 60 inches high at the withers and weighed 1000 pounds.Keogh paid 90 dollars to the army for him.
In SOTMS [I think] Connell says that there were numerious wounded cavalry horses wandering around the battle field.Comanche only survived because the army did not put him down with the rest of the wounded animals. |
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - August 15 2005 : 12:41:47 PM
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wILD--
I think you are absolutely correct on that information. As I recall, it was Tom who was the official "procurer" of those horses on behalf of the Seventh/Army, in regards to the specific action/sale that included (among others)Comanche.
There is a discussion over the the LBHA board about the other horse/horses that "got away," one including Nap ... I've also read that Vic might have gotten off (that might have been in Michno, I can't recall the source for certain), almost scot-free, as well, but was then taken by the Native Americans.
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KerKommisar
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Posted - August 15 2005 : 2:30:21 PM
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It's nice to see that movingrobewoman (aka Leyton Rice Mclean) is still posting away. One thing I don't understand. Her Rice Leyton moniker lists her sex as a male on the LBHA board. Then she is a female on this board. I have never seen a more psychotc personality disorder in my life.
She claims Indian heritage yet doesn't look like an Indian.
Her "book" was voted the best of the Ozark Book Club (which considers Dr. Suess college level reading). Wow, there must have been what, 4 or 5 entries. That's impressive. |
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lorenzo G.
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Posted - August 16 2005 : 08:53:10 AM
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As I am italian I can answer. De Rudio was born in 1832 near Belluno. He was with Garibaldi, is true, defending the shorted life Roman Republic. He came from a rich family: Count and Countess De Rudio. In 1858, he joined the revolutionary Felice Orsini attempting to kill Emperor Napoleon III. The silly and murderous act failed, but almost made fail also the Indipendence, because the Emperor was an important allied for our second indipendence war and he was thinking to live alone Italy after the assassination attempt.He was condemned at life imprisonment but escaped and joined other revolutionary people in London (through them, Mazzini). He came in the States in 1864. Enlisted in the Seventy Nine Highlanders and then story talks. Personally I don't have great simpathy for this hot headed man.
John Martin was born in Sala Consilina 1852. He was Tamburin with Garibaldi in the third Indipendence War, 1866. He started for the States in 1873. There are however historians that says Martini would have been born in Apricale in 1841. Studies are still following trying to prove where Martini was really born. So, the two little cities are now...at war. The last is that Apricale confronted the signatures of martini with american documents and seemed true; on the other hand, Sala Consilina answered that Martini always told himself born in Sala Consilina.
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wILD I
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Posted - August 16 2005 : 11:54:15 AM
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Hi Lorenzo
Nice to see you are still with us.
I believe De Rudio was actualy on the scaffold awaiting the blade to fall when a messenger arrived and announced that his sentence had been commuted to life imprisonment on Devils island.Both his accomplices Pieri and Orsini were executed.De Rudio escaped from Devils Island as you pointed out and made his way to England to his wife's home.De Rudio seems to have made a name for himself skirmishing with the Indians along the Solomon river in Kansas in 69. |
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lorenzo G.
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Posted - August 16 2005 : 3:53:06 PM
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Thank you for the welcome Wild!
The one of the scaffold, Wild, is a legend. He had a good lawyer and he was saved. The terrorists were 4, not 3: De Rudio, Pieri, Orsini and Gomez. Both De Rudio and Gomez went to Cayenne sentenced life imprisonned. De Rudio, tryed two times to escape from Cayenne. First time, in canoa, he failed due to cholera epidemy and heavy rain. Second time he was succesfull.He reunited with his wife Eliza not in England, but in Florida, where his youngest daughter died of cholera. He distinguished himself in the siege of Petersbug, Virginia, 1864 I think. He was promoted Captain in 1882 and he retired in 1896. He died 1 November 1910 in Los Angeles. His body was cremated and it rest at the National Cemetery of San Francisco. |
If it is to be my lot to fall in the service of my country and my country's rights I will have no regrets.
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Dark Cloud
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Posted - August 19 2005 : 6:07:57 PM
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Let's be real. MRW is hardly the only one who fakes different ID's on the various Custer boards, DerKommisar. And her reasons, whatever they are, aren't as ridiculous as others even less successful. She clearly isn't trying hard if she quotes herself in her signature under the McLean name. It's as convincing as Tommy Franks quoting Barbara Cartland.
But! Back to the Italian Job at the LBH. Among other things, is it now agreed totally that Brisbin wrote the story published under De Rudio's name, and if so, why would De Rudio, clearly educated, feel the need for that? I understood that a direct appeal to the French Empress was made on De Rudio's behalf; is this true? Is his entire bio bogus? If not, what is the connection between a cholera epidemic and his failed escape? |
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - August 20 2005 : 12:56:00 PM
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KerKommisar
If you ever have the opportunity to visit the state of Oklahoma, you will see thousands of Indians with blond hair, blue eyes, and roll numbers. Roll numbers are official documentation that the possessor is, in fact, of Indian heritage. The era of stereotype appearing Indians have passed.
Secondly, the ability to produce a book and, subsequently, have it published is very impressive. |
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lorenzo G.
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Posted - August 20 2005 : 7:31:15 PM
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| As I said, I don't like De Rudio so much, and in the Seventh he was famous as someone wich lie or that like at least to embellish his tales. I'm not sure for cholera epidemy, however, other sources tell this. What I think the truth is: "he was delayed on the escape cause of cholera epidemy on the island, survived, and attempted to escape." The story of his attempt escaping in chanoa is true. Concerning his salvation from death, He was saved because he had a very good lawyer,(someone said also cause of his english Father in law) and also because The Emperor calculated useful this act of clemence... |
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KerKommisar
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Posted - August 20 2005 : 8:21:07 PM
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KerKommisar
If you ever have the opportunity to visit the state of Oklahoma, you will see thousands of Indians with blond hair, blue eyes, and roll numbers. Roll numbers are official documentation that the possessor is, in fact, of Indian heritage. The era of stereotype appearing Indians have passed.
Secondly, the ability to produce a book and, subsequently, have it published is very impressive.
I agree -- it is impressive. But her book has never been, and never will be published. With a computer anyone can write a book. Now getting someone to publish it is an entirely different matter.
Thanks for bringing up the blond hair, blue eyed Native American heritage. I didn't say anything about that so that must have been what you were thinking. |
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - August 20 2005 : 8:50:15 PM
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| Lorenzo, it is good to hear from you again. With your busy schedule, I know how difficult it is for you to post. Again, welcome back. |
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - August 21 2005 : 4:33:39 PM
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Originally posted by Dark Cloud
Let's be real. MRW is hardly the only one who fakes different ID's on the various Custer boards, DerKommisar. And her reasons, whatever they are, aren't as ridiculous as others even less successful. She clearly isn't trying hard if she quotes herself in her signature under the McLean name. It's as convincing as Tommy Franks quoting Barbara Cartland.
But! Back to the Italian Job at the LBH. Among other things, is it now agreed totally that Brisbin wrote the story published under De Rudio's name, and if so, why would De Rudio, clearly educated, feel the need for that? I understood that a direct appeal to the French Empress was made on De Rudio's behalf; is this true? Is his entire bio bogus? If not, what is the connection between a cholera epidemic and his failed escape?
Come on, DC ... Barbara Cartland? You're being unnecessarily cruel!
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Dark Cloud
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Posted - August 21 2005 : 7:45:46 PM
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Danielle Steele? Ivana Trump? Joan Collins? Have you programmed the music for "Aut's" final words? I hear Mrs. Miller singing Kriestlag in Todesbandum, arranged by Nelson Riddle, and backed by Lord Invader and the Twelve Penetrators. Is that a go or what?
The stuff marked in orange are my script changes.
"Tom?"
"Yes.....'Aut'?" Really? Okay. "Yes, Aut."
"Am I bleeding, Tom?"
"You're bleeding, Aut. That's this red stuff."
"I hate the sight of blood, Biff."
"Tom. Especially when it's your own, yes I understand...."
"It hurts, Tom."
"Pain does......(really, we're calling him "Aut?" Okay, just sayin'.....). Pain hurts, Aut. Now be a man and stop whining....."
"Biff?"
"It's TOM! (Tom kills four Indians with Tai Kwondo) WHAT! For God's sake, we're surrounded....(BANG BANG BANG!!!!!!!! And your mother wears the headdress, Nancy Boy!!!)"
"Do you remember when mom and I......."
"No, Armst.....Aut. Listen guy, I can't fight and have this sensitive moment with you....."
"....and the tell them I died for God and Country and a united nation! No, just 'God and a united nation....'"
"Fine. God and country. Got it." Bangbangbang!!!!
"....and don't forget Libbie has to be buried next to the corporal that picks his nose all the time....."
"Look, either shoot or DIE, will you? Okay? Just shut up and decide,okay? SHOOT OR DIE!!!!"
"The musics too loud, I can't hear you...."
"What?"
Just my suggested text changes. Oh, and it's updated to be in Miami in 1988, and Don Cheadle plays Autie, Tom is a conflicted serial killer, and Oprah plays Terry. Just script tweaks, nobody will notice. Gotta go, FoxTV is on the line.
PS. We need a new thread to trace down the year and stall location of Vic's dam's birth. This is important to understanding all the factors of the Little Bighorn. In conjunction with exact rifling twist of the carbines, of course. Key essentials that cannot be overlooked. |
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movingrobewoman
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Posted - August 21 2005 : 9:41:24 PM
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Very cute, DC. But you can only use four ellipses at the end of a complete sentence or thought ... in all those other circumstances, three is the limit. Hardfast rule, it's set in stone. Improper uses mark the writer as completely hapless and unschooled.
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