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Wilderness Woman
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 Posted - September 25 2003 : 08:09:29 AM
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It's a new one on me, too. For that matter... so is the "horizontal polka."
Theresa, I have always heard that as "knock your socks off"!
My, my, my. The things you can learn in Mohicanland.
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Posted - September 25 2003 : 5:09:52 PM
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| Well, W.W., I do believe that in order for the socks to be knocked off, the boots have to go first. LOL! |
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Posted - November 03 2003 : 11:11:42 PM
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 Okay, in case you haven't noticed, I'm trying to play serious catch-up here. This is way late, but as for "the Kiss." I voted for more than a kiss. You have got to remember those kisses that leave you absolutely wonderfully breathless. If you have never experienced one, then you don't know what you're missing.
There's a man you admire (lust). Everytime you see him you melt, literally. One day, it happens, the right time the right place, you kiss. Mouths seek hungrily, tongues caress, hands roam. It happens. You don't ever want to let go and when you do, you are enthralled by the experience. Come on folks, it happens. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - November 04 2003 : 09:55:46 AM
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Welcome, Rydergrl! It's nice to see some of these topics come to the front, again. Your opinions are welcome... even if they do disagree with mine!  Just kidding!!
We've had a lot of fun with this topic, and several others you responded to. There are definitely different ideas amongst us. Looking forward to your continued participation.
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Posted - November 04 2003 : 1:47:14 PM
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Originally posted by Theresa
Never heard it referred to as "knocked boots" either, Bill. Now, I wonder if it is anyway similar to "knocked my boots off"?
In Hawkeye's case, wouldn't "knocking moccasins" be more appropriate?
But oh my yes, I always have believed that Hawkeye and Cora did the do in a huge and massive way that night. One of the best love scenes I've ever seen!!!
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 Posted - November 05 2003 : 10:16:25 PM
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Originally posted by Wilderness Woman
Welcome, Rydergrl! It's nice to see some of these topics come to the front, again. Your opinions are welcome... even if they do disagree with mine! Just kidding!!
We've had a lot of fun with this topic, and several others you responded to. There are definitely different ideas amongst us. Looking forward to your continued participation.
WW
 I'm sure I will not do this right, but in any event. I'm glad to have found this board. LOTM has got to be one of my favorite movies. I can not count the times I have watched it. My hubby refers to it as "that running man" movie. He says from the moment it comes on they are running. |
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Posted - November 06 2003 : 12:55:50 PM
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| He's right! One of the actors even mentioned that. I think it was Eric Schweig who said that making the movie was like running a marathon. I'll bet they were all in pretty good shape by the end of filming. |
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Posted - November 06 2003 : 4:51:25 PM
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| After months have passed I have to agree with Bill R. Hawkeye was raised in the mohican way of life and did not understand or care for a lady's virtue. As for him being a gentleman I think that is not too true either. He had no problem raising his voice and getting in Cora's face at Cameron's burnt down cabin. I think basically he was a man without rules....he lived as he pleased and took what he pleased (ie...Cora's virtue) |
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Posted - November 16 2003 : 4:39:06 PM
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The Kiss has always been one of the most sensitive erotic scenes in a movie - I am sure also thanks to the wonderful music background ....
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Posted - November 17 2003 : 7:46:18 PM
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The Kiss has always been one of the most sensitive erotic scenes in a movie - I am sure also thanks to the wonderful music background ....
Marie
Well, I definitely think the music had a lot to do with how steamy the scene was. I muted the movie during the kiss scene just to see how much of an impact the music was for the scene. It wasn't as breath taking so I have to give two thumbs up to the choice of music!!! |
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Posted - November 27 2003 : 2:53:03 PM
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Let me add my pair of copper portraits of the sixteenth preisident of the United States.
I do firmly believe that they "did it!" I base this on the incredibly sensuous look on Cora's face as he cradles her in his arms. She has the look of a woman who has just the most incredible orgasm(s?) of her life.
Funny annecdote to that. I was discussing the movie with a bunch of my fellow history teachers, who also love the film. I mentioned this look and described it in the terms above, when one of my female co-workers asked:
"Gee Bob how would you know what that look looked like?"
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Posted - February 12 2004 : 12:42:27 PM
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Bezahn (greetings),
Hawkeye was raised as an Indian, therefore he would not have shown emotion in public toward a female. He would have had to know her for quite a while prior to approaching her in a romantic way. He would have won favor by bringing gifts. Kissing among Indians was a little strange. Emotions would have been shown in other ways, such as holding her hand.
Of course, Hawkeye had enough exposure to whites to have learned a bit of the culture. Problem with "going all the way" in our society, is the fact that you are "married" after the first time. This is one reason why female captives were not sexually violated. Soon as you had sex, she was your new wife. Hawkeye would have been well aware of this. This could become problematic with your present wife, if you already had one. Another reason why we didn't violate women, was the fact that such disrespect for women would get you thrown out of the tribe by the council of women. My red-haired, blue-eyed Scot 4x great grandmother was captured in 1755. I can only imagine how my 4x great grandfather who was Shawnee, courted her. She chose to stay with the Shawnee during the prisoner exchanges. It was a national scandal that 86% of female captives chose to remain with the Indians. They owned everything in our society, but owned nothing in white society. Women were always equal in our society. We had to ask the Council of Women if we could go to war, as they could turn us down.
White captive women who were adopted could rise to the highest offices in the tribe, as they were totally Indian upon adoption or marriage to a tribal member.
Kissing leading to "all the way"? I don't think so! Just carressing the side of her face with his hand was almost a proposal of marriage.
I enjoyed the movie, but a lot of the action in the book was left out. I also didn't think that Daniel Day Lewis was right for the part. He didn't fit the image one gets from reading the book. A lot of my white friends who saw the movie, actually think that there are no Mohicans left, a source of amusement to me.
Kongo-neeleemah,
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Posted - February 12 2004 : 1:02:35 PM
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Thanks for adding your perspective Ken! Welcome to the board!
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 Posted - February 12 2004 : 1:16:09 PM
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| I would like to add my welcome too, Lonewolf. Most interesting post, and you have made some very valid points. Thanks! |
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Posted - February 13 2004 : 10:10:05 PM
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Hi Wilderness Woman,
Indians didn't kiss back then. Hawkeye was raised an indian, therefore if there was a "kiss" it was strictly Hollywood. Outward displays of affection towards women would have been an embarrasment. If he held her hand, that would have almost been a proposal.
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Posted - February 14 2004 : 08:23:51 AM
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Welcome Ken Lonewolf. Thank you for the insight about "The Kiss". Always learning something here.
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Posted - February 14 2004 : 11:30:17 AM
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...if there was a "kiss" it was strictly Hollywood.
Well, you know Hollywood! Gotta appeal to the masses. |
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Posted - February 15 2004 : 08:15:21 AM
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Since I have a daughter, I find my self wishing we lived in a society similar to the one lonewolf describes. SIGH!
Hollywood portrays the act of love as something you do on a first date!  |
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Posted - May 09 2006 : 5:56:33 PM
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| "knocked my boots off", - geez could I add a line to that. Best not I guess! .... ;) |
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Posted - May 09 2006 : 6:06:10 PM
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| Might be the plains Indians were a tad different that the eastern Indians, - but a good read is Lewis & Clark's expedition. Journals was kept by some of the expedition, and sexual shyness wasn't a problem for any concerned, - long winters on the plains etc. One member from Boston I believe, thought he managed to get to heaven without dying. |
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Posted - May 09 2006 : 8:36:52 PM
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Thank you for the link to this topic Wilderness Woman! What a treasure trove the archives must be...
I initially said "all the way", and still will as that was my inital feeling on it. I can't add anything to the many and varied reasons already given, so will simply say "I agree", with a from the terms and ideas expressed.
I must add, though, after reading lonewolf's post I see that I was interpreting the scene using 'my version of the truth' and not considering the characters' realities. Thank you lonewolf for the wonderfully enlightening information you shared. Yet one more aspect of the Indian culture which is fascinating in it's sensibility. The rest of the world could truly benefit from adopting some of these ways. |
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Posted - May 11 2006 : 9:53:42 PM
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paazau I totally agree with your beautifully written comment to lonewolf's post. 
I am very interested in Indian culture and it's so great to get information from the source. I admire their way of life and agree with you about the world benefiting from adopting their ways. 
Unfortunately,living in the UK I hardly have a chance to come across any American Indians. 
Regarding "the Kiss" I always thought that what we see on the screen is all that happened. I didn't take Indian perspective into consideration (I didn't know what it was anyway), I just felt that way when I first watched LOTM. Realistic or not, it's a beautiful scene.  |
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| Thinking about it now, I wonder if lonewolf's explanation can help us understand the relationship between Alice and Uncas. Considering the cut out love scene it makes more sense that Uncas was in such a hurry after Magua took Alice away. Did he feel obliged? |
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Posted - May 15 2006 : 11:42:47 PM
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| Raindrops you make an excellent point about Uncas. Since they had a "love scene" in the cave, I guess going by lonewolf's explanation of things, they were as good as married. This would definitely throw some light on why Uncas raced like a man possessed up the steep rocks to rescue Alice. I still wish Michael Mann had left that scene in and it would have avoided a lot of confusion and questions as to why Uncas raced off by himself, throwing all caution to the wind, to save a girl he barely knew and to whom he had hardly spoken at all. He did feel obligated to save Alice from whatever fate Magua had in mind for her. |
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Posted - May 17 2006 : 2:52:22 PM
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| Irishgirl and Raindrops you have a good point there.I just wish I could see the Uncas and Alice love scene someday.. |
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