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richfed
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 Posted - September 07 2008 : 08:54:08 AM
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As I "feared," it has been brought to my attention that there are some ill-feelings - for lack of a better term - that I chose to put up a small photo and link in support of the McCain/Palin Republican ticket on the home page of this web site.
When I did so, a couple of days ago, I anticipated - though I hoped otherwise - that someone was probably going to object.
I can't help you with that. I know that this web site is not a political web site ... I never put my views about politics on the web-site proper [9/11 aside].
But, to me, this is one of those things that is much more important than Mohicans and fun and games. To me, this election is a critical juncture for the future course of this great country of ours. I feel compelled to support John McCain and, maybe especially, Sarah Palin to lead this country in the direction I feel is best.
This is very, very important to me. I have donated money and will do whatever little I can to help their campaign.
What is on the site - and I am not talking about any discussions that might ensue hear on the board in the Lion's Den, etc. - is merely an endorsement of my choice. It doesn't condemn the other ticket or make any statement other than that is who I support. No one should feel offended or alienated, but that is beyond my control. This is one of those times where - in my small way - I will put Country First.
Win or lose, it will come down after the election, but not before.
EDIT --> After posting this, I decided to move the link from the top of the page to a less conspicuous place at the bottom. That is in deference to folks I love & respect on the "other" side.
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SgtMunro
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Posted - September 07 2008 : 10:18:13 AM
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Well Sachem, considering that you manage to keep yourself above the fray 99.9% of the time, I think that this is a small indulgence indeed, and you should not have to 'reduce the link' or 'answer' for such things. I guess that is the major difference between our sides; if you had an 'Obama' link, I would not object... I would not vote for him, but I would not object to any advertisments (Even the ones which the Cultural-Marxists at MoveOn.org are famous for, like portraying President Bush as a Nazi, or showing him pushing old people off of a cliff, ad nauseum). Free speech is free speech; and the U.S. Constitution includes many freedoms and rights, but the 'Right Not To Be Offended', is not one of them.
On this subject, do you remember what I had posted a while back? I said, and still believe it to be true, that to the left, the only 'freedom of speech' is their own, and that all others must be quashed through legislative fiat (Since they lack the factual foundation, or logical ability, to counter any argument in debate). One only needs to look back in history at the infamous 'Fairness Doctrine', as an example of the Democratic-Left's attempt to control discourse. And once again there is talk in both houses of a return to that doctrine, and it is not coming from the Republican side of the aisle...
Oh well, I shall return to this on another thread, and at a later time. Till then, know that I for one see nothing wrong with what you did initially, and not only because I happen to agree with you politically.
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Posted - September 07 2008 : 2:33:38 PM
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I am a registered Democrat (having changed my affiliation about a decade ago so I had a vote in eastern NC primaries - heavily Democratic) but consider myself an Issue-crat. I have very conservative views about some topics and very liberal views about others and am middle of the road about most issues. I try to compromise on some issues, some stances I applaude, and others I cannot support. I find it quite a job to glean unbiased straight information anywhere, so I try to peruse a lot of information and find my own truth or opinion in them. On a scale of 1-10, with *1* being a far left Democrat and *10* being far right Republican, I am about a *4*
I am quite familiar with your political affliation/affections Rich, and having stated "where I'm coming from", I take no offense what-so-ever in what you post on your own website!
Uhhhhh, it didn't say "Democrats not welcome" under it, did it? 
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Bookworm
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Posted - September 07 2008 : 6:30:39 PM
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| Very nicely put, GG, and (presuming the answer to your question is, "No, it didn't") I agree. (I'm a 2.75.) |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - September 07 2008 : 7:52:59 PM
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| Heh, heh - you could have fooled me Bookworm. ;) |
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Posted - September 08 2008 : 2:27:55 PM
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| I must be blind as a bat because I can't even find the link..... |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - September 08 2008 : 5:08:16 PM
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| Waaaay down the bottom, - left side. |
you can keep "The Change" |
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Irishgirl
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Posted - September 10 2008 : 11:21:59 AM
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Thanks MG  I was having a "blonde moment" as I was looking on the "All Forums" page instead of the "home page" silly me
Just a thought though shouldn't the link be on the "right" not the "left" |
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Gadget Girl
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Posted - September 10 2008 : 12:50:39 PM
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I actually thought MG was trying to tell us he was WAY Liberal - on my scale of 1-10, about a *1*.
Good point about the right side!  |
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Posted - September 10 2008 : 4:10:14 PM
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| Yeah, - heh, heh that's me, the lefties of lefties, ... Actually, Ron Paul is too far left for me. ;) |
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Stephanie
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Posted - September 11 2008 : 09:19:28 AM
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I feel that I should confess that I am one of the ones who was bothered by the McCain/Palin logo on the main page. Yes, I realize this is Rich's site and he is free to voice his opinions. However, the objection I have is based around the fact that this is largely an entertainment site. Many of us come here to *escape* the real world, and having that logo, in my opinion, was a bit of an intrusion on that. Rich has provided us with a place to discuss politics, and it was my feeling that political opinions should be confined to that area. I rarely post in the Lion's Den because it can be rather volatile at times, and I want the choice to avoid political discussions and disagreements if I so choose.
I apologize if this opinion upsets anyone, but there are plenty of places on the web to find political information and discussion. There are not many sites on the web like this one, though, and my hope was that we can keep it free of some of the types of disagreements that have harmed friendships in the past.
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Stephanie
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Posted - September 11 2008 : 09:22:40 AM
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Also I would like to add that I appreciate Rich's consideration in the matter.  |
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Kaylynn44
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Posted - September 11 2008 : 2:36:17 PM
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Rich,
I am very liberal in my views, so it really doesn't bother me that you have a McCain/Palin link. I think that everybody has a right to express his or her views. If I was a conservative, I wouldn't be so open-minded. Just kidding!!!
I'm trying to think where I would fit in on Diana's meter because some things I am very liberal about and some I am pretty darned conservative, so I think that I am a "5"
BTW, I think that my husband has a crush on Sarah Palin.  |
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richfed
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Posted - September 11 2008 : 6:21:46 PM
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Steph -
I looked at it as no different than having a bumper sticker on my car. Now, if I had written an elaborate essay condemning Obama - which I AM tempted to do!!!! - and placed it on the front page, I could see your point as it relates to the general content of this site.
Kay -
So do I, so do I! My motto is "When in doubt, vote for the Babe!!" Kidding ladies, kidding ... |
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winglo
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Posted - September 12 2008 : 10:14:56 PM
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| By the way, Rich, does the McCain/Palin link even work? Wanting to know where it led, I clicked on it and it sends me to an error page. |
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richfed
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Posted - September 13 2008 : 09:26:13 AM
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| I probably broke the link when I moved it. It'll be fixed shortly ... |
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richfed
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Posted - October 13 2008 : 11:29:56 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by richfed
As I "feared," it has been brought to my attention that there are some ill-feelings - for lack of a better term - that I chose to put up a small photo and link in support of the McCain/Palin Republican ticket on the home page of this web site.
When I did so, a couple of days ago, I anticipated - though I hoped otherwise - that someone was probably going to object.
I can't help you with that. I know that this web site is not a political web site ... I never put my views about politics on the web-site proper [9/11 aside].
But, to me, this is one of those things that is much more important than Mohicans and fun and games. To me, this election is a critical juncture for the future course of this great country of ours. I feel compelled to support John McCain and, maybe especially, Sarah Palin to lead this country in the direction I feel is best.
This is very, very important to me. I have donated money and will do whatever little I can to help their campaign.
What is on the site - and I am not talking about any discussions that might ensue hear on the board in the Lion's Den, etc. - is merely an endorsement of my choice. It doesn't condemn the other ticket or make any statement other than that is who I support. No one should feel offended or alienated, but that is beyond my control. This is one of those times where - in my small way - I will put Country First.
Win or lose, it will come down after the election, but not before.
EDIT --> After posting this, I decided to move the link from the top of the page to a less conspicuous place at the bottom. That is in deference to folks I love & respect on the "other" side.
To say I am shocked and disappointed would be a grave understatement.
Because I rather meekly - I thought - publicly announced that I am going to vote for John McCain next month; because I pointed you all to the Corsi book Obama Nation; because I sent my hard earned $50 bucks to the McCain/Palin campaign and chose to show my support for that meager investment by virtue of a button on the web site homepage; because of those things, it appears that a few long-time members here have a boycott - of sorts - under way. That's OK. I respect their decision to do so.
I do not respect this:
I do not appreciate being told that I am a racist and that the only reason that I have posted about my views is because Obama has a strange name and is black.
No, I do not respect that at all. I thought the person was kidding, but was assured that the person was not. A long time visitor here. A long time friend - I thought.
You know what? I have more black friends than probably the lot of you have put together. This has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH RACE. It is dispiriting to see that "card" being used over and over again. Are you kidding me?
Let me make this clear. I am voting for John McCain because I feel he is the FAR better candidate. I trust his judgment far more. I know he is a brave and honorable man who has the inner strength to withstand anything thrown his way. I KNOW he loves his Country.
On the other hand, Obama has shady connections, a socialist agenda, no experience, questionable voting record, and a decided anti-American stance.
This is about POLITICS and INTEGRITY. Not RACE. Got it?
As for all those "unbiased" "non-Partisan" fact-check organizations ... is ANYBODY really unbiased? We all have our biases ...
You can disagree with my politics but NEVER question my intentions.
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Irishgirl
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Posted - October 13 2008 : 12:58:13 PM
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I am also shocked and disgusted to learn that anyone would react that way to you simple putting a link on your own site and saying publicly who you support in this race. Hopefully they will come to their senses and not take their frustrations out on you Rich. Funny how a lot of Obama folks tend to call us McCain supporters racists when anyone with an ounce of common sense can tell that we support McCain because of the issues not his color. There are "racists" on both sides, equally those who only will vote for Obama simply because of his color. Anyone of that mindset is just plain stupid IMO.
Sorry to hear about this Rich as I thought the folks on this board were above that sort of thing. Obviously I thought wrong. Best wishes and hopefully all this will blow over after election day but then again maybe not. |
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Bookworm
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Posted - October 13 2008 : 1:03:44 PM
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| I'm shocked and disappointed, too, Rich. IMHO you've been clear but quite non-confrontational -- yes, even meek! -- regarding where you stand politically, and polite and respectful to anyone who disagrees with your stand. Although we've never met, I have certainly formed the opinion that you're a very friendly and open kind of guy, with many friends and a desire to make many more, of any race, creed, or color. Let's hope that the person who made those unfounded accusations is, as they say in statistics, an outlier, and not at all representative of Mohicanland. |
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Seamus
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Posted - October 13 2008 : 1:10:15 PM
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As you should be, Sachem, as you should be. But...this kind of behavior is normal daily life for some of those on the "other" side..... They will shoot at you privately but don't have the guts to say it out loud and publicly, so we can all see who they are.
Stand strong, stand fast. Stand by your heart, dear friend. You are not alone. There are many out here who share your commitment to your choices. Let us not, however, condemn ALL who differ from us politically. There are those with whom we can be friends, even if we do not like their politics nor they, ours. Our discourse can be mixed, spirited, and still remain civil and respectful. All communities are like this. Unfortunately, we have those others...on all sides. If these souls choose not to come here to be a part of our Community, fine. Who needs them?? The whole of Mohicanland is better off without them.
My vote, too is for John McCain and Sarah Palin, and for all the reasons you have enumerated.
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Posted - October 13 2008 : 1:17:02 PM
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Here is a perfect example of what I was alluding to above....saw BW's Post after I hit the Submit button.
Bookworm and I are as opposite, politically, as anyone can be. However, she and I share a mutual respect, and, yes, a deep love for each other. We can tell you many stories about our similarities and our differences; we go way back. I respect her position while not agreeing with it, as it is her right to hold her own opinions and me, mine. I cannot be swayed, as she knows well, nor can she, as I well know....right Mare?
We do agree, as you can see, that this...uh...person...has no place in Mohicanland. |
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Monadnock Guide
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Posted - October 13 2008 : 2:57:49 PM
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| Sorry to hear about that Rich, - if ANYONE is "fair" about things it's you. If someone doesn't see that - THEY have the problem. Obama is just WAY too far left for me, - his race does't enter into it. I see Kennedy, Clinton, Kerry et al in the same light. I have never voted for any of them - and never will. Race, gender etc. are not the deciding factor - pure politics. |
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Posted - October 13 2008 : 3:09:53 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by richfed
I do not appreciate being told that I am a racist and that the only reason that I have posted about my views is because Obama has a strange name and is black.
"Un---be---freaking---lieve---able!!!!!" as my late husband often said.
Rich, I am disgusted, too. Although we have never met in person, I would consider you to be just about the most non-racist person I know! This most recent attack on you by several so-called "friends" is just outrageous, and these people do not deserve to be your friends.
Seamus makes a very good point: True friends can continue to be good friends, regardless of differing political views. It can happen... it does happen! |
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Bookworm
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Posted - October 13 2008 : 4:43:50 PM
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| Right, Mike! Neither time nor distance has weakened our friendship, politics won't either. When I needed someone to pull my car out of a snowbank, I didn't ask whether you were Democrat or Republican, I just asked whether you had a four-wheel-drive vehicle and a big heart! (The good old Ramcharger . . . I remember it well.) And I've never known you to turn down a pie made by a Democrat. Although I've known Joyce for far less time, I'm confident that our friendship too will withstand the strains of time, distance, and politics. After all, it has already resulted in that fine beverage known as Cherry Bounce. |
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Posted - October 13 2008 : 4:47:36 PM
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You? A Racist?! You have got to be kidding, I cannot believe that some craven bottom-feeder would even allude to such a lie. Well, as WW, Seamus, BW and Irish have noted, such people's views are not even worth considering. Also, remember that people who make such accusations, usually are projecting their own shortcomings onto another as a cowardly form of attack; to wit: "I don't like you, so I will accuse you of having the same emotional/mental/physical issues that I do."
Stand strong Sachem, I and many others, know and respect you for the man you are.
YMH&OS,
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