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susquesus
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 Posted - September 10 2007 : 8:59:41 PM
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| In regards to the original question about Hawkeye's family- has anyone consulted hmacdougall? That guy is encyclopedic, I think he's even the head of the James Fenimore Cooper society. |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - September 11 2007 : 12:02:35 AM
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Originally posted by Fitzhugh Williams
Cooper probably did not know a lot about the history of guns and simply wanted to create a persona for his lead character.
I think you're probably right, Fitz. After all, the man was expelled from Yale for accidentaly blowing up part of a dorm.  Oops. I think perhaps weapons were not Mr. Cooper's specialty!
Blew up a dorm? Maybe an early member of the SDS? |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - September 11 2007 : 5:02:13 PM
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Here is a copy of a gun for sale on the Track Of The Wolf web site that many people believe would best represent a Pennsylvania or Virginia rifle from the early 1750's. Maybe even before that.
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/categories/partDetail.aspx?catId=12&subId=81&styleId=280&partNum=AAC-273
This is what Hawkeye might have carried in the F&I. The barrel is only 37 inches long whearas many fowlers had barrels in the 50's, so he would have been known as "le court carabine", or even "le petit carabine" which might have taken something away from his image. |
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RedFraggle
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Posted - September 11 2007 : 5:19:56 PM
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Wow, Fitz. Those last two comments really made me laugh! "Le petite carabine" . . . that's too funny!  I don't think Natty would brag about that. |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - September 13 2007 : 1:01:34 PM
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Not many men would.
And that is all I'm gonna' say.
Light whispers to self, "Bite my tongue, bite my tongue, bite my tongue..." |
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gema_again
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Posted - February 15 2008 : 4:29:29 PM
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In his defense, as an author it's difficult to 100% accuracy in a storyline that's historical. Believe me, I've been writing on one for nearly 7yrs! And still am learning more and more.
But thankfully we have people like Fitz around who can clue us in. That tidbit comes in handy (for me anyway). Now I have some editing to do!
Thanks Fitz and WW!
If those in New Amsterdam were businessmen they would have hired Hessians and Germans as sharpshooters, guards and general security imo. They may have had an attitude of peace and trade but they didn't fool everyone !!
The Dutch who originally settled New Amsterdam were more interested in import, export, trade and keeping the peace on the frontier so business could continue, imo. They had no need of guns or to sell or trade guns with the locals. They may not have considered their own need for defenses or self-defense, imo. |
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - February 15 2008 : 6:39:13 PM
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| In the early 1600's the French took the side of the Hurons in their conflict with the Iroquois League, so the League they turned to the Dutch for guns. The Dutch were more than happy to provide them. Once they were well armed, the Iroquois almost wiped out the Hurons and cleared out the Ohio valley. The French finally sent a regiment to New France, the Carignan-Salieres Regiment, to regain control of the situation. Up to that time the soldiers in New France were mercenaries hired by the various mercantile companies. Even though the Iroquois were winning, they were taking so many losses that they finally had to sue for peace. The Dutch were, and still are, arms dealers to the world. |
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Posted - February 15 2008 : 10:08:11 PM
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in fact, many of the german auxiliary troops sent here to help put down the rebellion, carried dutch made arms...a fellow in my hessian group carries a rifle shoppe repro of a dutch musket. i have always thought that dutch made weapons were to often overlooked in 18thc history, fitz is right on. north america in the 18thc was flooded with dutch weapons.
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - February 16 2008 : 12:36:59 AM
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| South Carolina bought about 4500 of them in the 1750's to arm their provincial troops and militia. One, at least, is still in existence and is pictured in one of the historic arms publications. There are probably more still around in private collections. |
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Hawkeye_Joe
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Posted - February 16 2008 : 08:53:45 AM
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Maybe Hawkeye had a rifle like this one, that would have made him "Le Longue Carabine"
1750's Rifle called the Musician Rifle marked "1756 NJ", 44" barrel.
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Does the book say how Hawkeye's parents died??
