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Lurking Huron2503
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 Posted - March 12 2006 : 8:57:33 PM
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Am I the only one who had mixed feelings about the scene where the Big Trio run away from under the falls by themselves, leaving the women behind?
When I watched it the first time I couldn't quite make out what Hawkeye was saying and I was kind of shocked by what they did. I know now that apparently that was the only chance of surviving for everyone but it seems to me that it is only so clear to someone who read the script and knows what happens next. I don't think that in real life it would have been so obvious that Magua and his men would not do any harm to Cora and Alice and would just take them to the Huron village and it would be possible to save them later on. It just doesn't seem right to me that when the villains approach with clearly very bad intentions towards the women, the guys just run away. Especially as Hawkeye loves Cora and makes such a fuss before he goes but then he just leaves her there defenceless with the man who wants her death or worse.. I don't think that Hawkeye had supernatural ability to see the future . I don't know what they should have done, maybe try to run away together or maybe he staye with the girls, otherwise it looks rather unhonorable to me and it doesn't suit these men.
Also, from their conversations earlier in that scene it seemed quite likely that they would be found by Magua under teh falls, so why did they stay there in the first place? There must have been some better alternarives..
Please share your thoughts on this..
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Irishgirl
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Posted - March 12 2006 : 11:18:02 PM
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It always bothered me too that they just leave the women there and take off. For Hawkeye, especially, seems like it is a hard decision and he even says to Cora that if they are not killed then they will be taken to the Huron up North or something like that and the famous line of course "stay alive, no matter what occurs, I will find you". There must have been some doubt in his mind about what their fate would be. He truly loved Cora and for him to just take off like that seems out of character. They say that if they stay there under the falls and Magua finds them there will be a fight and they could all be killed but if they go then they have a chance at least that they will not be killed. He knows Magua wants Cora dead so why would he not think that Magua would just kill Cora and probably Alice right there and then. I know they could not have gone on on foot across country when they ditched the canoes. Magua would have undoubtedly caught up with them easily but then again maybe luck would have been on their side and they could have made it to safety. It was a very hard decision for Hawkeye to make although the "trio" all made it together. The first time I saw this I wondered why they did not all jump through the falls but I doubt if they could all have survived. I guess the "trio" must have done something like this before or just hoped they could make it. They were lucky not to have been killed themselves. Cora also telling them to go seemed strange to me. She must have been terrified too although she does not show it and is very protective of Alice, yet she tells them to leave. I don't think I would have said that in her position. I would want the man I love and who supposedly loves me to stay and fight not run off and leave me.
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Posted - March 13 2006 : 12:26:09 AM
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| And another point, why didn't Soldier No. 2 take his chances in the falls? He didn't last long after the Hurons got there. I'll have to ask him this summer at the Gathering. |
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Posted - March 13 2006 : 04:51:48 AM
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| Apparently Hawkeye felt that as a group,they would have been slowed down and overcome by the Huron.He also said that there was no powder,nor means to resist. |
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Lurking Huron2503
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Posted - March 13 2006 : 3:38:15 PM
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Imagine the love scene between Uncas and Alice was not cut out. Soon after getting intimate with Alice, he just runs off. I wonder what impression that would leave.. And he doesn't even say anything |
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Posted - March 13 2006 : 4:49:02 PM
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| 'the big trio' knew the women would be taken to huron land, and that they had a chance of escape theu the falls to attempt a rescue later... the others, being typical british, probaly could not swim. |
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Posted - March 13 2006 : 5:45:04 PM
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Originally posted by Lurking Huron2503
Imagine the love scene between Uncas and Alice was not cut out. Soon after getting intimate with Alice, he just runs off. I wonder what impression that would leave.. And he doesn't even say anything
Alice: "Oh Uncas, I love you so."
Uncas: "uhhh, yup." |
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Posted - March 13 2006 : 11:10:55 PM
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| Yeah at least Hawkeye said goodbye to Cora whereas with Uncas it was just kiss and run or in this case kiss and jump. Poor Alice was probably thinking "what the heck did I do wrong?" |
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Posted - April 12 2008 : 5:41:37 PM
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In my opinion that Alice-Uncas love scenes should not had been cut out! 
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Posted - April 16 2008 : 8:58:57 PM
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Originally posted by MeggieD
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Originally posted by Lurking Huron2503
Imagine the love scene between Uncas and Alice was not cut out. Soon after getting intimate with Alice, he just runs off. I wonder what impression that would leave.. And he doesn't even say anything
Alice: "Oh Uncas, I love you so."
Uncas: "uhhh, yup."
Actually, that would have gone as follows:
Alice: "Oh Uncas, I love you so!"
Uncas: "uhhh, sorry. But Light already has my heart!"
Wishful dreaming on my part, I know! But it is soooo nice to dream. |
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Posted - April 17 2008 : 06:12:32 AM
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Originally posted by Light of the Moon
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Originally posted by MeggieD
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Originally posted by Lurking Huron2503
Imagine the love scene between Uncas and Alice was not cut out. Soon after getting intimate with Alice, he just runs off. I wonder what impression that would leave.. And he doesn't even say anything
Alice: "Oh Uncas, I love you so."
Uncas: "uhhh, yup."
Actually, that would have gone as follows:
Alice: "Oh Uncas, I love you so!"
Uncas: "uhhh, sorry. But Light already has my heart!"
Wishful dreaming on my part, I know! But it is soooo nice to dream.
LOL Light...dreaming is good |
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Posted - April 23 2008 : 10:07:48 PM
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 Irishgirl ...kiss and Jump-Uncas-Alice...I like that ....but least they had an affection for each other..would love to of seen the deleted scenes,but maybe one day we will...maybe on EBay we do not know....well i don't...anyway-would like to know how to get hold of the deleted scenes....mmmm i may have an idear ...have to think on this one...but the falls...i do agree/was out of charactor-but hey had no amunition remember/was wet...so they had no fighting tools...realy ...no-chance...but i do feel either way-jumping or not jumping...they all had a battle on there hands....which ever way you all look at it realy....sad but true....MM made a master peice...never could be re-writen...using the old charactors definately....make up works/training with the right people....and i say not to bring:
*BACK A RE-MAKE*-BUT 20 YEARS ON...
 With the same original Charactors....maybe my imgination is running wild...but a thought ....would be a blockbuster im sure |
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Posted - April 26 2008 : 10:39:35 AM
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Originally posted by Michelle
MM made a master peice...never could be re-writen...using the old charactors definately....make up works/training with the right people....and i say not to bring:
*BACK A RE-MAKE*-BUT 20 YEARS ON...
With the same original Charactors....maybe my imgination is running wild...but a thought ....would be a blockbuster im sure
Michelle, don't forget Uncas and Alice DIED in the movie, as did Magua and Colonel Monro. Chingachgook would probably be dead or at least very old 20 years later. So, a story about 20 years later would really just be a story about Cora and Hawkeye. I think we got plenty of them in the original, so I don't think I see the point. |
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Posted - April 26 2008 : 11:53:19 PM
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Michelle, don't forget Uncas and Alice DIED in the movie, as did Magua and Colonel Monro. Chingachgook would probably be dead or at least very old 20 years later. So, a story about 20 years later would really just be a story about Cora and Hawkeye. I think we got plenty of them in the original, so I don't think I see the point.
As I've said many a time, Magua made the movie what it is...no Magua, no movie.
...and let's not forget the late, unlamented "Captain Crunch." He didn't quite survive the flick, either.
As far as "20 years later," didn't they already make something like that? Called "The Patriot?" |
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Michelle
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Posted - April 27 2008 : 12:18:55 AM
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Originally posted by winglo
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Originally posted by Michelle
MM made a master peice...never could be re-writen...using the old charactors definately....make up works/training with the right people....and i say not to bring:
*BACK A RE-MAKE*-BUT 20 YEARS ON...
With the same original Charactors....maybe my imgination is running wild...but a thought ....would be a blockbuster im sure
Michelle, don't forget Uncas and Alice DIED in the movie, as did Magua and Colonel Monro. Chingachgook would probably be dead or at least very old 20 years later. So, a story about 20 years later would really just be a story about Cora and Hawkeye. I think we got plenty of them in the original, so I don't think I see the point.
 I agree with you winglo/i know they died...No HARM IN BRING BACK A SPIRIT...wink wink!!!....They could've survived-or even better,could've been a dream-someone paying tricks on there minds-like
Magua-they did have this power-i know it gets abit techinical-but an idear and a half i think....i know my mind is running wild.....winglo-so sorry...trying to be imaginative thats all...no-way could a remake be done with-out fine actors and the same scence of feel of the original film anyway....think about it....it just would not-work or be the same .....but i beleive in 20 years on.....Russell Means looks great for his age....anyone seen a recent picture of him...looks alright..and Eric-well..he still has his great looks/he definately looks after his skin....as im sure his health...he just needs to work out with a great trainer....but i also hear when you say Eric may want to move on from the The Film.....but the film is selling hear fast still in the uk....and alot of fans out there too...we all know about. |
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Posted - April 27 2008 : 8:26:40 PM
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I agree with you winglo/i know they died...No HARM IN BRING BACK A SPIRIT...wink wink!!!....They could've survived-or even better,could've been a dream-someone paying tricks on there minds-like
Magua-they did have this power-i know it gets abit techinical-but an idear and a half i think....i know my mind is running wild.....winglo-so sorry...trying to be imaginative thats all
I know you're just using your imagination. And it looks like you have a great one. But, I still say part of the greatness of the movie is that it is beloved for what it is even all this time later. Making it into a soap opera would ruin it. Let's "leave them where they lay" and hope for new things in which to see the great actors from the movie.
And Obi, I do agree with you. Without Magua the movie would have been only a shadow of itself. Wes is a great actor, isn't he? |
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Posted - May 01 2008 : 10:35:52 AM
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I took out the book again and it really was so that women probably wouln't survive the fall. and as Duncan, here is a fragment from the book, when others were gone but Duncan still stayed:
cora turned, and, with a quivering lip, addressed herself to Heyward. "I have heard of your boasted skill in the water, too, Duncan" she said. "Follow then, the wise example set you by these simple and faithful beings"
And then, with much conversation, Duncan reduced the offer because he was a protector of these women and fell his duty to stay in their side. Maybe that was a case with soldier #2 also |
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Posted - May 08 2008 : 3:20:54 PM
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As I've said many a time, Magua made the movie what it is...no Magua, no movie.
he certainly did for me
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