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 Posted - July 03 2006 : 9:48:48 PM
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I definitely agree with you on the matter of innocence, LeyLana!!
But I have to add, that we have not seen the cut-out love scene and we don'tknow if it was THAT bad. Maybe it was an innocent-looking love scene. |
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Posted - July 04 2006 : 09:36:56 AM
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They were portrayed as no more than teenagers I felt. In those days, children like Uncas would have been out tracking and hunting at a very early age so I think they were probably no more than 16 or 17
Uncas certainly was not a child of 16 or 17 in the movie Leylana. I certainly did not look at him like a child. He was a young warrior in his early twenties. Alice did seem childlike in the way she acted though. He was a man in anyone's eyes but especially to us ladies.... yum yum yummy. |
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LeyLana1462
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Posted - July 05 2006 : 04:14:16 AM
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Haaa ahaaa ahaaaaaa, not into 'Toy Boys' IG?  ....lol...
He probably was about early 20's but given that he wasn't even married yet I figured he is young and in that era even later teen years would most likely not have been considered a child.
Do you know if the book gives any idea of their ages?
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Posted - July 05 2006 : 1:22:55 PM
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 Hey Ley, no not into "toy boys". I have 4 kids already and don't need anymore to take care of 
Never read the book so don't know about the ages in it.
I agree Eric will look very "edible"   even in his "golden years" Looking forward to seeing him age gracefully.  |
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Posted - July 05 2006 : 7:03:15 PM
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I haven't read the book but I've found a quote from the script that probably can settle it:
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He's twenty-five. He seems tall and muscled. Heavy, even breathing. We'll learn later this man is UNCAS, the last of the Mohicans.
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Posted - July 06 2006 : 3:10:59 PM
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| 25, the same age he was in real life in 1992. What a coincidence. Thanks raindrops. |
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Posted - July 07 2006 : 4:15:04 PM
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| Hi everyone! I'm new my first post. *yippeee* anyways yeah that's pretty neat. I know Jodhi was 17 when they made this. How old was Alice supposed to be? |
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| Welcome to the board oxUncasLuvrxo and I am not sure how old Cora was supposed to be in the movie or the book. She was the older sister but Madeline Stowe was about 34 when she made this movie so obviously she was quite a lot older. I don't think she was meant to be that old in the movie. I think Alice was supposed to be around that age in LOTM so Jodhi fit the part quite well. |
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oxUncasLuvrxo
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Posted - July 09 2006 : 1:19:25 PM
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| I voted for Under the Falls because I just thought that their hug was so sweet and I would like to see them talk to each other for a bit. Like Uncas whispering romantic words to Alice, or him trying to make her feel better, and Alice atleast say SOMETHING!! |
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| Definitely at the fort. Maybe Alice would have been able to actually see how much Uncas loved her since there wasn't anyone charging at her with a weapon or guns going off by her head. She seemed a little more calm at the fort and that would have been the perfect time for Uncas to profess his love for her.....who knows...maybe they would have had their own version of "the kiss"! |
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Posted - December 12 2006 : 3:27:42 PM
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| Her dear ole' daddy the good Col. would have locked him up with Hawkeye if he ventured anywhere near his beloved Alice. Don't think he would have approved at all of his dear, sweet Alice having anything to do with a "savage" even if that "savage" had already saved both his daughter's lives. Just would not have been "appropriate" given the times they lived in. At least Hawkeye and Cora had a chance as he was at least a "white man" albeit a "wild frontier man" |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - December 13 2006 : 09:28:25 AM
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Her dear ole' daddy the good Col. would have locked him up with Hawkeye if he ventured anywhere near his beloved Alice. Don't think he would have approved at all of his dear, sweet Alice having anything to do with a "savage" even if that "savage" had already saved both his daughter's lives. Just would not have been "appropriate" given the times they lived in. At least Hawkeye and Cora had a chance as he was at least a "white man" albeit a "wild frontier man"
It did appear that way didn't it? I'll have to agree with ya', Irish.
But Hawkeye was raised by the "savages" and her pa' was still okay with it...pretty strange but there it is. |
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Posted - December 13 2006 : 09:34:12 AM
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| I don't think her pa was okay with it Light. The Fort was under attack and he did not have time to "deal with" or really think about Cora's fascination with Hawkeye. I am sure he just thought it was some kind of fascination and would pass. Afterall, Cora had never met a man like Hawkeye in London or anyplace else I am sure. He certainly was no "gentleman" but a rough, tough man who had been raised by Indians, namely Chingy. I think Chingy did a great job with his two handsome sons. Guess it just run in the family, handsomeness that is. |
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Light of the Moon
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Posted - December 13 2006 : 09:58:21 AM
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Yeah...sigh...he sure did!
I know the both of us would prefer a rough and tough handsome NA man as opposed to the "gentlemen". So odd, back then, how "gentlemen" were sometimes scandals in disguise and no one was the wiser.
Anyway...we'd still take our NA hotties. |
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Posted - December 13 2006 : 3:39:10 PM
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Can't think of a good segue, so here goes.
I voted for more "riverwalk" scene. I always feel kind of sorry for Alice in this scene because nearly everyone in it is so focused on Cora, and Alice is left trailing behind. When Duncan climbs up the rock, he turns to help Cora, then just leaves Alice standing there (!). Of course, Uncas gives her that lovely look  , but maybe it would be nice to see something actually happen between them in this scene. I don't know--helping her up the rock face, walking near her, something.
I guess I'm envisioning a scene where we see both Uncas' and Alice's curiosity about one another revealed in a subtle, cinematically beautiful and convincing way. Stolen glances. Shy looks. She realizes he's looking at her. He walks closer but is still a little distant, a comforting, thrilling presence that is focused entirely on her after the disaster that has just occurred....
You know, those awkward but enlivening "first crush" feelings. Alice was curious and excited to see the "red men" in the scene at the patroon's house. Now she's in the middle of the wilderness and has just been rescued by "red men," one of whom keeps shooting her longing looks. The scene could be potentially powerful for introducing the blink-and-you'll-miss-it "romance" between her and Uncas. It always leaves me wanting to see more.
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Posted - December 13 2006 : 4:51:29 PM
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| Now there's something to think about fraggle. I think overall there should have been more of a focus on Uncas and Alice. You never really see movies that focus on two romances at once...what's the deal with that?! |
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Posted - December 14 2006 : 08:04:31 AM
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Originally posted by Irishgirl
Welcome to the board oxUncasLuvrxo and I am not sure how old Cora was supposed to be in the movie or the book. She was the older sister but Madeline Stowe was about 34 when she made this movie so obviously she was quite a lot older. I don't think she was meant to be that old in the movie. I think Alice was supposed to be around that age in LOTM so Jodhi fit the part quite well.
I guess this question was asked a while ago, but here's an answer, if anyone cares/is curious:
In Cooper's novel Alice is supposed to be around 18, just old enough to attract the attentions of (and a marriage proposal from!) Duncan. Alice is "the most juvenile in her appearance, though both [sisters] are young," and Cora has "the experience of four or five additional years." So Cora is supposed to be in her early 20's--interesting, considering that Madeline Stowe was a good 10 years older than that when the movie was made! 
Something else I find kind of interesting: in the movie Duncan is supposed to be "28 to 30," according to the script. In the book, though, he's supposed to be just as young (if not younger!) than Cora, and is repeatedly described as a "youth." His reputation is apparently very well known, even to Hawkeye, who characterizes Duncan as "a young gentleman of vast riches" who "is over young" to hold the rank of major, "and yet they say he is a soldier in his knowledge, and a gallant gentleman." So Duncan is the consummate gentleman and the perfect romantic hero  to win Alice's heart. In view of the movie, strange, huh? 
 Oh, by the way: Don't let my nerdy, factual post kill the thread. I seem to have a knack for doing that. |
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Posted - December 14 2006 : 11:21:28 AM
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Ya' at it again Red?
Die, die, die.
Anyway, I love the earlier post re: River Walk. Could you imagine Uncas walking closer but still keeping his distance? Talk about leaving ya' breathless. Think I'd trail behind a little closer just to close some of that distance or could just get right to the point and tackle him like a linebacker!!!!!
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Posted - December 14 2006 : 3:35:55 PM
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Think I'd trail behind a little closer just to close some of that distance or could just get right to the point and tackle him like a linebacker!!!!!
Out-a-my-way Sis! You're blocking my view!
Just one question: Are you envisioning yourself as Alice or trailing behind both of them, just waiting for the chance to tackle Uncas away from that "invalid schoolgirl"?
I seem to be remembering another comment about bumping off Alice.... |
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Posted - December 18 2006 : 09:32:28 AM
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Actually, I am walking behind them both but Cora fell in the river and was swept away (Oops, clumsy me!) and Alice doesn't know how to fight back so she shouldn't be too hard to get rid of.
Anyway, since that only leaves ME all you other Uncas lovers are just gonna' have to deal with the loss! |
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I didn't vote; there was no choice for "bottom of the cliff." The camera could have panned lovingly over the broken, bleeding corpses! Now, just put a couple of 18th century CSI's down there collecting evidence...  |
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Posted - December 28 2006 : 9:03:29 PM
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  ! OBI!! You are BAD !!!! |
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Can't think of a good segue, so here goes.
I voted for more "riverwalk" scene. I always feel kind of sorry for Alice in this scene because nearly everyone in it is so focused on Cora, and Alice is left trailing behind. When Duncan climbs up the rock, he turns to help Cora, then just leaves Alice standing there (!). Of course, Uncas gives her that lovely look , but maybe it would be nice to see something actually happen between them in this scene. I don't know--helping her up the rock face, walking near her, something.
I voted for under the falls, but I think this would have been my second choice.
It would have been nice to see Uncas hold his hand out to Alice to help her up the rock face, and see Alice hesitate for a moment, look into his eyes, and take his hand. It would have foreshadowed the moment when Magua offered his hand to Alice and she chose to step off the cliff. |
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Posted - April 07 2007 : 10:18:04 PM
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It would have been nice to see Uncas hold his hand out to Alice to help her up the rock face, and see Alice hesitate for a moment, look into his eyes, and take his hand. It would have foreshadowed the moment when Magua offered his hand to Alice and she chose to step off the cliff.
I agree. Good point about the foreshadowing. And welcome, Monet!
My favorite painter, by the way. I recently went to an exhibit of "Monet in Normandy" and it was absolutely breathtaking. Almost as moving as walking into to Galleria dell'Accademia in Florence and seeing Michaelangelo's David in person.
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Which Alice/Uncas part would you like to expand?
