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Grenouille
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 Posted - May 15 2004 : 7:18:24 PM
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Hi,
I went and saw the movie "Troy", today. I give it two thumbs up. One thing I noticed that is that I saw three actors from the movie "Braveheart." The brother of the Greek king and whose wife was stolen is Hamish, Mel's bearded sidekick in the movie "Braveheart."
The Greek king is played by "Uncle Argyle" in the movie "Braveheart" who raised young William Wallace. And one of the Trojan generals is played by Hamish's father in the movie "Braveheart."
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Posted - May 15 2004 : 7:42:06 PM
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I agree totally Jim! I went this afternoon also.
Yep, I noticed those guys too (made it bit hard thinking of all those Irish and Scots boys as GREEKS and TROJANS though). BUT I thoroughly enjoyed this movie!!! That "leap and stab" thing Achilles does is awesome! Hey Ilse...ya listening? I've always thought yea, yea...Brad Pitt is cute AND a decent actor (no big whoop though), but if you thought Maximus was "the Man", wait until you see a pumped up Brad - Geeeeeeeez - when he calls Hector out - MY knees were shakin'! One thing I thought was done particularly well was the Trojan Horse. I couldn't imagine how they could do that believably - but it was perfect! And I thought the impact of MASS ARMIES couldn't be surpassed by what I saw in LOTR, but they do it again in Troy. At two hours and 45 minutes I was already moaning about the dead-butt factor before it started, but this movie moves right on through - DEFINITELY worth seeing on the big screen! One thing that DID bother me was the similarity of the music, in parts, to Gladiator. Regardless...another two thumbs up from me!
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Posted - May 15 2004 : 9:05:45 PM
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Haven't seen this, but someone said one of the best lines in the movie went something like, "Helen has left with the trojans."  |
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Posted - May 16 2004 : 08:06:37 AM
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Hello G.G.,
Glad you enjoyed the movie. Heck, I might even go see it again, I liked it so much.
Jim
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I agree totally Jim! I went this afternoon also.
Yep, I noticed those guys too (made it bit hard thinking of all those Irish and Scots boys as GREEKS and TROJANS though). BUT I thoroughly enjoyed this movie!!! That "leap and stab" thing Achilles does is awesome! Hey Ilse...ya listening? I've always thought yea, yea...Brad Pitt is cute AND a decent actor (no big whoop though), but if you thought Maximus was "the Man", wait until you see a pumped up Brad - Geeeeeeeez - when he calls Hector out - MY knees were shakin'! One thing I thought was done particularly well was the Trojan Horse. I couldn't imagine how they could do that believably - but it was perfect! And I thought the impact of MASS ARMIES couldn't be surpassed by what I saw in LOTR, but they do it again in Troy. At two hours and 45 minutes I was already moaning about the dead-butt factor before it started, but this movie moves right on through - DEFINITELY worth seeing on the big screen! One thing that DID bother me was the similarity of the music, in parts, to Gladiator. Regardless...another two thumbs up from me!
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Posted - May 16 2004 : 08:53:57 AM
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Give me back my Trojans!!!! 
Was that the line? As I said, I haven't seen this and wasn't paying close attention when I heard what the line was that was so funny in the movie...could've been either one, I suppose.  |
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Posted - May 20 2004 : 08:04:58 AM
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| For me Braveheart was made endurable by the scenery, the soundtrack, and "the old guys" -- Hamish's father, Uncle Argyle, and that sly old fox Edward Longshanks. So it's definitely a plus for Troy that two of the three are in it (and Hamish was good, too). I'm planning to see it this weekend -- another big historical epic, if well done, is always welcome. |
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Posted - May 20 2004 : 3:42:34 PM
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I have only seen the trailer, and I suggested to my wife that we go see it. She doesn't like the idea. Here's why.
First, the Greeks were Mycenaen, and lived in the bronze age. The weapons looked to be iron. This is wrong!
Second, the helmets would have been made of boar's tusks. Mycenaen helmets were well known for this.
Third, the shields would have been body length.
Fourth, the clothes are wrong.
Fifth, the weapons were wrong (might as well have given them AK-47's)
Sixth, the style of warefare was wrong. The wars were fought with massed formations of chariots, with an archer and/or spear thrower on board.
Seventh, ... well that's enough. You get the picture.
After I explained this to her, she said that's why she doesn't like to go to period movies with me.
Well, from what I saw on the trailer, compared to Troy, LOTM was the most accurate movie ever made. Troy might still be worth seeing (sort of LOTR, Greek style), but I guess I will have to see it by myself.
PS: Actually, the term "Greek" is incorrect. Sorry about that.
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 Posted - May 22 2004 : 08:02:12 AM
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Saw this last night ... 
Didn't much like it. Stilted & forced dialogue, I thought. No emotional impact on me AT ALL. Visually ok, especially Helen of Troy  , but something was missing in this film. [And, her part was reduced to ... nothing ... pretty much, anyway.]
Can't put my finger on why - exactly - I was very disappointed, but I was. It has NOTHING on Gladiator. That is a movie!
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Posted - May 27 2004 : 9:37:38 PM
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| I lean the other way, Sachem -- looked at my watch during Gladiator, didn't during Troy. It wasn't the greatest epic of all time, but for me it wasn't a disappointment -- I'd give it a good, solid B. Generally good acting, especially by Peter O'Toole (no surprise there), Eric Bana, and Sean Bean; good cinematography, although the landscape was bleak; desperately needed a better soundtrack. I thought the large-scale battles were OK, but nothing new after LOTR. The one-on-one fights, however, were compelling, especially the one between Hector and Achilles. AS for Helen, I agree with the commentator who said "maybe a hundred or so ships, but a thousand, no way!" She was pretty in a fashion-model sort of way, when she needed to be stunning (more like Madeleine Stowe in LOTM, maybe). Speaking of LOTM, here's a trivia question: One of the characters in Troy uttered a line that was identical to, and spoken in the same context as, a line in LOTM. Who said what and to whom? Clue: the speaker was male, the listener was female. |
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Posted - May 27 2004 : 10:39:09 PM
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Was it along the " I will find you " lines?
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| Close, but not quite! When Hector realizes that he'll have to fight Achilles, and that devastation will follow if he is killed (because Troy relies on his military leadership), he shows his wife the secret passage out of the city and forces her to acknowledge the unthinkable -- that she may have to go on without him. Later -- I think it's during their final farewell -- he says, "Remember what I told you." Just like Hawkeye to Cora, after he's convinced her that when the fort falls she must go with her father and the other officers rather than stay behind to find him. |
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Posted - May 28 2004 : 7:38:59 PM
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I saw this opening weekend and I enjoyed it too, but it fell a little flat. I don't think they fleshed out enough of the legend (which the TV version did a little more), but maybe that's because it looked as though to be in part Achilles' POV. I also liked that leap and stab move.
The best 2 lines were by Priam and Achilles:
Achilles: "You will still be my enemy in the morning."
Priam: "You are still my enemy tonight..."
I did pick out the guys who played Hamish and his dad in BH, but missed Uncle Argyle was Brian Cox...I always associate him to Rob Roy, LOL.
On the whole, Troy is an "enjoy and take it for what it is" movie. :)
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... On the whole, Troy is an "enjoy and take it for what it is" movie. :)
After seeing this on DVD the other night, I pretty much agree with that statement! |
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My son just bought this movie and insisited I watch it as he loves it....any movie with Brad Pitt isn't a chore to sit through so I watched it for the first time. Can't say I cared for it as it looked so ... what? one dimensional? It's hard for me to put a finger on it; maybe it was seeing so many familiar faces dressed in the wrong outfits to which one is used to? (And my, weren't the Greeks/Trojan's clean people??? And all of the big hair on the guys!!! I guess because they had to add the extensions....) I did like the way Hector was protrayed as the fighter son and Paris as the lover son; I think that came off pretty good (Orlando must be a crack archer by now!); and the "jump and jam" moves were good; but then Brad could just stand there.....in his toga and look great...
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