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Wilderness Woman
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 Posted - July 26 2005 : 3:22:41 PM
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Thank you kindly, Mr. Flags! The backup is much appreciated, and I am most happy that you have returned from your most recent trek to rejoin us here. Welcome Home!
As for that interesting phenomenon called a "15-year-old-female-teen-ager-with-an-attitude"... I am most familiar with it, being not that far removed from having had one in my own cabin. God's truth, I am most pleased she is now a nearly-normal-twenty-one-year-old-woman!
Kara... I repeat. You are most welcome here in Mohicanland, so long as you set aside the unkind attitude and speak kindly to all who are here... regardless of their age, or yours. |
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SgtMunro
Soldier of the King
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Posted - July 26 2005 : 4:13:21 PM
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Wilderness Woman stated: As for that interesting phenomenon called a "15-year-old-female-teen-ager-with-an-attitude"... I am most familiar with it, being not that far removed from having had one in my own cabin. God's truth, I am most pleased she is now a nearly-normal-twenty-one-year-old-woman!
I agree WW, I have a 15 year-old daughter myself (Who attended OBV with me this past weekend as her first event, and loved it), and I know how teenage hormones can play hell with the common sense side of the brain (My 18 year-old has just come out of that phase herself as well). The reason I had said nothing upon reading this post, the other day, is that I figured that you and the Sachem had explained it enough to her, and that I would just consider the source.
Either way, I will monitor the situation and help you where needed.
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Many Flags noted: They can document all that they wear. AND, Sjt. Maj. MacWilliam (Malcolm), who always has his Saturday shirt washed by the laundresses for Sunday clean wear, has asked me to convey that he will not have his shirt laundered by you this year! As for being rude and being treated as a teenager.....enough has already been said.
Herr Flags, please do convey to your cousin that I will direct the Highlanders of the 42nd RHR to follow his example as well.
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Laundress08 stated: Oh and why do you need casualties? So you can show kids to shoot people?
No lassie, it is to show kids that when people fire weapons at one another that folks do get hurt and/or killed. It also teaches them the risks involved in protecting their way of life. When you grow a wee bit more, and explore the world beyond your present borders, you will find that people appreciate a certain amount of reality (Notice I said reality, not gore). Warfare, like any other physical contest, has its price to pay. Whether it is real or simulated, it must be demonstrated, or the lesson is lost upon those who have never experienced it firsthand.
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Serjeant-Major Duncan Munro
Capt. Thos. Graham's Coy.
42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foote
(The Black Sheep of the Black Watch)
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
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Sjt. Malcolm MacWilliam
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Posted - July 26 2005 : 5:31:38 PM
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| Huzzah to all of you who handled this situation: WW, my comrade Duncan, and my cousin Flags. Methinks I may have said some unkind things to the lassie. Tis best if this old Sjt. just steps back and allows others to say words of a cooler nature. Scottish wrath is a terrible thing to behold! I will state that it is always curious to me how the young ones want us older ones to be so tolerant of their new ways and different views as the world changes, but they have little or no tolerance for the old and experienced ways and wisdoms. Duncan: I look forward to quaffing a bit with you at Bushy Run .....in our filthy sarks...that's shirts to the Sassenach! Pax Aye! Malcolm |
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Laundress08
Lost in the Wilderness
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Posted - July 26 2005 : 6:24:38 PM
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| Ok, now what I would like to say is...I accept full responsibilty for what I said and that I can assure you that it isnt "teenage hormones" messing with the common sense side of my brain. All I ask of you is to not take this out on Carrie she has no idea i've done this and i'm sure i'm going to get a tongue lashing from her. But thats besides the point, i'd like to bring back a few things that I said. The topic that I would like to bring up is the Scotts Women's clothing. I'm sure that they can date all of them but can they date the material they have used and some of the things they have put on the dresses? It isn't hard to find the correct materials if you know where to look. Ok, i'm done on that topic. Ok, now the topic of needing casualties. I am now fully aware that you need casualties, because death is a part of war and you just can't hide that and act like it doesn't exsist. I would also like to apologise for being so rude to some people but for some things I said, I do NOT regret saying them. Now if your going to contact the highlanders about what I said go ahead, I insist. I've had a bad experience with one he was a 40 year old hitting on me and this is when I was 11 or 12 he physically touched me...So if you contact them please for my sake and possibly other girls/women tell them about that. Oh and the other reason I dislike Highlanders and think their idiotic is because from what I have seen they do not know how to dress or reenact properly, and thats all i'm going to say on that matter. I am also going back to the matter that I do not appreciate being treated as if i'm a child I would like be treated as a human being. I know enough about todays society and the violence and horrible things that come with it. And if your going to not have us do your laundry this year, like I said I except full responsibilty for what I said, but don't take it out on my Aunt Carrie. |
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SgtMunro
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Posted - July 26 2005 : 6:55:41 PM
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Sjt. Malcolm MacWilliam said: Duncan: I look forward to quaffing a bit with you at Bushy Run .....in our filthy sarks...that's shirts to the Sassenach! Pax Aye! Malcolm
Aye, Sergeant-Major, aye. It will be a bonny time soldiering with you and the brae lads of the 77th Highland Grenadiers once more. Victory to the King's Arms!!! Huzzah!!!
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Laundress08 stated: Now if your going to contact the highlanders about what I said go ahead, I insist. I've had a bad experience with one he was a 40 year old hitting on me and this is when I was 11 or 12 he physically touched me...So if you contact them please for my sake and possibly other girls/women tell them about that.
Now this is truly a serious allegation, and one for which I must remove my bonnet, and put on my police 'hat'. I have a good friend of mine (From my academy class) who works in the Crimes Against Families section of the Dective Division of my police department. If you like, I could send you contact information from the women's counselling/advocacy group that they work with all the time. This group's counsellors are all females, and all previous victims themselves, so they know what you are going through. Take my advice, do not let this 'get buried' into your psyche; you have time to take action against this criminal actor if you wish. The statue of limitations for crimes against juvenilles only start when the victim reaches the age of majority (18 in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania), so you do have time to make sure that he is punished. Think about it, and let me know...
YMH&OS,
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Serjeant-Major Duncan Munro
Capt. Thos. Graham's Coy.
42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foote
(The Black Sheep of the Black Watch)
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
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Wilderness Woman
Watcher of the Wood
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Posted - July 26 2005 : 7:11:01 PM
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Kara,
It is unfortunate that there are still some re-enactors out there who just don't want to, or can't, or don't care enough about the "hobby" to do adequate research to make certain that everything they wear or everything they do is absolutely period correct. But most do try. And I think that if you really allow yourself, you can see this.
It is also very unfortunate that you had a bad experience with a "Highlander." But there are just plain and simply bad people out there everywhere. It is not fair to generalize and lump all Highlanders into a category and label them as idiots or otherwise bad people. Just watch out for all men! (Just kidding, guys!)
As for treating you like a child, I really don't see that anyone, myself included, has. If you do enough reading on these boards, you will most certainly find a number of instances where adult posters have been taken to task for some very nasty things they have said. Age has nothing to do with it. Politeness has no age limitations.
And now, this must be the end of it.
Kara, your apology is most graciously accepted by all of us here. Join us and have some fun! There are a couple of other young people here that are really super (Wade and Nora) and I'm sure they would like to make your acquaintance.
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Laundress08
Lost in the Wilderness
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Posted - July 26 2005 : 7:15:02 PM
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| Oh, I do believe I have forgotten to ask who all i'm not doing laundry for...So who all am I not doing it for? |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - July 26 2005 : 7:20:01 PM
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| Easy, Lass. I think that if you just let it ride, 'twill all be forgotten....... |
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Sjt. Malcolm MacWilliam
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Posted - July 26 2005 : 7:39:08 PM
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| As WW states, Lass,....easy and all is forgotten. I may even allow my sark to be washed on Saturday. Sjt. Maj. MacWm. |
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Many Flags
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Posted - August 08 2005 : 2:05:57 PM
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| And after all this about washing and not washing shirts, my cousin Malcolm informs me that the laundresses did not show up at Bushy Run this weekend. I am hoping there were no problems with the trip? Malcolm says were missed.....and that the spot looked very empty where they were always set up. Many Flags |
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misschanelno5
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Posted - August 08 2005 : 5:45:41 PM
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| Not to change the subject but to echo what Many Flags said earlier in the thread -- it's great to have Wilderness Woman back and posting again! Yay!! |
"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination."
"Arguments are to be avoided; they are always vulgar and often convincing."
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blueotter
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Posted - August 08 2005 : 7:21:43 PM
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Well, gang, I attended my first Bushy Run this past weekend, and it was wonderful! I knew little-to-nothing about the history of the Battle, and very quickly learned a lot about it, and to appreciate the site itself. It's beautiful!
Someone from one of the Highland groups (I think it was Fraser's?) told me that there is a question about whether or not the site is the actual battle site. She said archeologists are going to do some more digs, and if they find that it is not the site, it will be sold.... That's all she said, and I don't know anything beyond what she said. Even though I am a new Bushy Run convert, I was nearly as freaked by that bit of info as if I had been going to the event for years! Can anyone elaborate on that rumor?
Also, having been a reenactor for 12 years, I'd like to state my philosphy on period-correctness in general: I take care of my own documentation, try to be as accurate as possible with the things that matter (anything that can be seen by the public), and make a huge effort to keep my 21st-century items out of site most of the time so as not to spoil my fellow reenactors' time travel experience. If someone asks me for my opinion on the period-correctness of their clothing or kit, or ask for pattern or fabric sources for the right stuff, I will offer my knowledge to them. I do NOT go up to people and volunteer my opinion on their correctness or lack thereof. 99% of the reenacting community is the same way. We are all here to have fun, and we all do the best we can. Those reenactors who DO volunteer their perceived expertise are considered out of line, and in my experience, have a smug attitude. I hate to say this, but everyone out there knows at least one reenactor who fits this description. I feel sorry for these Docu-Nazis because they seem to have a need to point out others' flaws, probably to make themselves feel important and "expert". And an amendment to the above: if someone is painfully incorrect in their clothing or kit, it's usually best to go to their unit leader; if it's a child, go to the parent out of the child's range of hearing. A young one's feelings can be more deeply hurt than can be imagined!!
(Miss Laundress, I am not referring to you at all -- I don't even know who you are -- just pointing out to you the unspoken "code" of reenacting manners).
I hope nobody here if offended by what I've just posted. I love my hobby! I love my friends and acquaintences in the hobby, too! I don't even want to offend that teeny 1% of the reenacting community that knows who they are. I just want everyone to get along.
p.s. Wherever I go, I try to bring along my basin, ewer and soap, so if anyone discovers that their usual laundresses are missing, just ask, and I will do up your shirt, sark, cap or even give a shampoo (as long as there is no mischief!) Several times I've given shampoos to the teenagers in my unit, and am glad to do so.
bonsoir, adieu,
Rose
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Many Flags
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Posted - August 09 2005 : 08:35:03 AM
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| Rose....I will post here also (I just posted above at F and I site)!! You may have been talking to one of the 77th ladies of the Grenadier Co. (my cousin the Sjt. Major's unit, Malcolm), because Malcolm had gotten that story from a very good source (Fraser's was not there). The state has cut back Bushy Run to just the director and some volunteers(who also is at Ft. Pitt) . The site could be cut from state funds in the next couple years if there isn't more visitation by public and/or if research/digs don't bring up more artifacts. There seems to be a problem with documentation of where the two day battles actually occurred. Also, they now believe where they thought the dead are buried on top of the hill, that is not the site. All of this questioning and lack of moneys can cause problems for Bushy Run. So, that's the story and we all hope that the problems go away so we can continue to honour the participants, both Native and British, and remember the history. Pax Aye! Many Flags of the Allemaengel |
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SgtMunro
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Posted - August 09 2005 : 10:14:38 AM
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blueotter asked: Someone from one of the Highland groups (I think it was Fraser's?) told me that there is a question about whether or not the site is the actual battle site. She said archeologists are going to do some more digs, and if they find that it is not the site, it will be sold.... That's all she said, and I don't know anything beyond what she said. Even though I am a new Bushy Run convert, I was nearly as freaked by that bit of info as if I had been going to the event for years! Can anyone elaborate on that rumor?
Aye Lass, and as Herr Flags stated, "There seems to be a problem with documentation of where the two day battles actually occurred. Also, they now believe where they thought the dead are buried on top of the hill, that is not the site." I too have heard from a source of very high repute (Probably the same gentleman who the Sergeant-Major spoke of), that the actual battlefield is in another location. I will not go into particulars, since the gentleman asked that I do not pass the information on until he is ready to release it. But fear not, as Herr Flags also noted, the important thing is to remember the history, and to honor the memories of the fallen; corrections can always be made at a latter date.
YMH&OS,
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Serjeant-Major Duncan Munro
Capt. Thos. Graham's Coy.
42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foote
(The Black Sheep of the Black Watch)
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - August 09 2005 : 10:50:45 AM
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On the subject of "correctness", this can be a difficult situation. For instance, I have been asked in the past to register members of our unit for a juried event. The event is very strict, and I know that the members won't pass. If I tell them so, then I am "Mr. Know-it-all" and it doesn't go over well to say the least. If I register them, then when they show up they are in for a rude supprise. Not to mention the fact that the site will never accept my application again without extra scrutiny. So far I have been able to duck the bullet, but the time will surely come when I will have to make some decision. It is so nice just to be able to show up for events and let someone else deal with the issues.
I like the way the event at Old Bedford Village dealt with it. They listed what was acceptable, but said that if you had items the were not on the list, it was OK to use them, just bring your documentation. |
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SgtMunro
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Posted - August 09 2005 : 8:40:28 PM
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Aye Fitz, that is truly a fine line to walk. I agree with you that OBV did it the right way, or at least the most diplomatic. Most people, when starting this hobby, go through a series of evolutions in their persona. The main thing to remember is not to 'shut-out' a new member, encourage through positive motivation instead; for all of us should remember the time when our houses were not museums, and our bookshelves not quite libraries...
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Serjeant-Major Duncan Munro
Capt. Thos. Graham's Coy.
42nd Royal Highland Regiment of Foote
(The Black Sheep of the Black Watch)
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"
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Laundress08
Lost in the Wilderness
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Posted - August 10 2005 : 3:49:48 PM
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| My aunt Carrie for the second year has refused to go to Bushy Run the reason why, im unsure of. There were no problems I would have replied sooner but I was on vacation with my family in California. I will try to convince her to go next year Bushy Run is one of my favorite reenactments. My vacation had nothing to do with us not coming just my aunt is VERY stubborn. |
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Many Flags
Colonial Settler
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Posted - August 11 2005 : 12:05:52 PM
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| Laundress....sorry to hear about that. I know that my cousin Sjt. Maj. MacWm. and his lads do look forward to having shirts washed and your Aunt does an excellent job with portrayal, etc. Maybe next year you can meet Malcolm and his fine Highland lads. Stay in contact!! Many Flags of the Allemaengel |
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