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richfed	Posted - August 15 2002 : 6:48:42 PM By [sort of] request: If the Presidential election were held today, who would you vote for? (Non-US citizens, put yourself in our place ... whaddaya think?)
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securemann	Posted - June 11 2003 : 3:15:09 PM The next presidental election will be tricky for me.We were B.S.ed about Iraq which didn't surprise me.I will have to wait.Yes,they are all crooks- some more than others.
scotranger	Posted - June 11 2003 : 11:43:27 AM I voted that I'd have to see who the opponent is. I have a firm belief that all politicians are crooked. Some are just a little less crooked.
chasis_22	Posted - June 05 2003 : 02:31:26 AM I voted seeing who runs against him. I admit that I don't know too much about the government as far as politics. George Bush has impressed me though.....a lot more than Bill Clinton ever did!
securemann	Posted - March 26 2003 : 2:44:41 PM Just remember, alot of folks died for this freedom of expression.
sidony	Posted - March 24 2003 : 06:35:00 AM I'm not an American, but if I were I'd vote for Michael Moore. He's the author of "Stupid White men" and the director of "Bowling for Columbine". He has passion, intelligence, and a conscience, all three of which Bush seems to lack! Good on you Michael, for standing up at the Oscar podium and telling Bush what the majority of people in the world feel about him. I wish I'd been there to cheer you on.
Dark Woods	Posted - December 12 2002 : 01:55:41 AM The candidate who got 2% of the vote in 2000 was Ralph Nader, Green Party.
Ithiliana	Posted - December 09 2002 : 7:03:11 PM i said apathy...bush sux, gore too.....so who else could you vote for? except that guy who got like 2% of the vote, but i can't remember his name....
Ilse	Posted - November 01 2002 : 6:38:14 PM Yes, I've got that picture! Just give me some time to locate it in my messy sloppy house I'll get back to you on that! It WILL turn up, again!
Adele	Posted - October 29 2002 : 08:48:47 AM quote: Originally posted by Dark Woods: As a tour guide in England (see post a few spots above) Huggy Merchant acted in the tradition of Magua . Magua led a group into the forest, planning to remove their scalps , while Huggy led Ilse into the London Dungeon planning to remove Ilse's head Ilse fortunately appears to be none the worse for for the experience, so if Isle does not object, it might be fun for Huggy to post the photographic evidence. Dangit Rich...your board is eating my posts! Am about to start taking it personally....harrrummph! Anyway, as I was saying...hehehe Actually, if truth be known, it was ME that got dragged into the London Dungeon....I didn't want to go (wussy person here!). Cutting of Ilse's head was my revenge! I think the pic was posted on the old board....I'll have to see if I can find it, Ilse kept it, so if it needs posting again, she's going to have to do it!! HM
Dark Woods	Posted - October 29 2002 : 06:08:53 AM As a tour guide in England (see post a few spots above) Huggy Merchant acted in the tradition of Magua . Magua led a group into the forest, planning to remove their scalps , while Huggy led Ilse into the London Dungeon planning to remove Ilse's head Ilse fortunately appears to be none the worse for for the experience, so if Isle does not object, it might be fun for Huggy to post the photographic evidence.
Bea	Posted - October 28 2002 : 11:32:54 PM >>>I certainly have plenty of pics from my stay in Arromanches, some views of the bay from the helicopter are wonderful. I will see how well they scan in. I feel safe in the knowledge that since I was travelling alone, there will be no pictures of me in my youth in there!<<<<<< Umm. I wasn't travelling alone but I know how to hide certain bikini pics..hehehe..Anyhow, I have put up two pics in my photoalbum of Omaha Beach. P.S.: I can't do any of the fancy smiley stuff, quotes etc. as I am on my IE browser..Long story..but in two weeks time I should have a reformatted computer and won't have to swithc from netscape to IE..
Adele	Posted - October 27 2002 : 3:31:04 PM quote: Originally posted by Bea: Grin...you are soo funny!!! I am sure you could also visit Ilse in Holland!!! Holland is very open minded..:) Huggy, thanks a bunch for your offer!! One day, maybe..I'd for sure visit you. My friend Jaya is currently living in Luton but since her mom has passed on she will be moving back to Canada to be with her husband.. Anyhow, Adele and Anth you are always welcome in my humble abode in St.Albert..Ilse has been here and I can't wait for her to visit again. Okay, this was a bit off topic: Adele, I went through my photoalbum of 1982 and will scan some Omaha Beach pics. I will put them up in my photoalbum and will notify you once I have done so.Speaking of photo album: Where are your pics, Adele, Anth, Ilse????? C'mon it's fun!~! I certainly have plenty of pics from my stay in Arromanches, some views of the bay from the helicopter are wonderful. I will see how well they scan in. I feel safe in the knowledge that since I was travelling alone, there will be no pictures of me in my youth in there! HM
Adele	Posted - October 27 2002 : 3:29:06 PM quote: Originally posted by Anthony: and what about me?Huggy! can I come Rest & stay @ yr home and see The British Culture thru yr Eyes, a Grande Tour and history lessons too? soon/ok? ......................anth OH! and ill be GOOD ....no ...um... gee...alternative talk and lifestyle 'Images' ....ill even Drop my current spouse of 26 yrs ........... marry n bring a WOMEN over Just in case a few think its too ..wel ya know........peace anth..um..........................................................ya know................later..... anth I Can Only be as Nice as I am and not Worse! Hehehe...Anthony....if there is one thing you should know by now...'alternative talk and lifestyle' is most definitely NOT an issue for me! You and your spouse would be most welcome to visit anytime...I will even throw in a tour...you will have to ask Ilse whether my London tourist guide skills are any good! When she visited, I removed her head at the London Dungeon (and we have the photographic evidence! ) I should also warn you that on the old board, I had a little persona called the Yengeese Strumpet...and her abode was known as the House of Hoo-Haa....NOW who has the alternative lifestyle?!! HM
Bea	Posted - October 27 2002 : 12:06:09 PM Grin...you are soo funny!!! I am sure you could also visit Ilse in Holland!!! Holland is very open minded..:) Huggy, thanks a bunch for your offer!! One day, maybe..I'd for sure visit you. My friend Jaya is currently living in Luton but since her mom has passed on she will be moving back to Canada to be with her husband.. Anyhow, Adele and Anth you are always welcome in my humble abode in St.Albert..Ilse has been here and I can't wait for her to visit again. Okay, this was a bit off topic: Adele, I went through my photoalbum of 1982 and will scan some Omaha Beach pics. I will put them up in my photoalbum and will notify you once I have done so.Speaking of photo album: Where are your pics, Adele, Anth, Ilse????? C'mon it's fun!~!
Adele	Posted - October 26 2002 : 05:09:56 AM quote: Originally posted by securemann: It must have been around that time you specified HM,because it wasn't D-Day.My Dad has passed on and all I can remember him telling me that he was on the third wave in when they hit the beach.He felt lucky to be on the third wave because the guys on the first two got really nailed by the Germans.But he still lost his best friend.He was dragging him across the beach when he got hit in the stomach and his platoon leader said drop him,he's already dead and keep moving.My Dad never got over it. I am sorry to hear that your father is no longer with you, and I am not surprised to hear that he carried that experience with him the rest of his days. Some of the personal accounts and stories I have read over the last few years make me wonder how anyone retained their sanity. HM
securemann	Posted - October 25 2002 : 4:24:53 PM It must have been around that time you specified HM,because it wasn't D-Day.My Dad has passed on and all I can remember him telling me that he was on the third wave in when they hit the beach.He felt lucky to be on the third wave because the guys on the first two got really nailed by the Germans.But he still lost his best friend.He was dragging him across the beach when he got hit in the stomach and his platoon leader said drop him,he's already dead and keep moving.My Dad never got over it.
Ilse	Posted - October 25 2002 : 3:31:53 PM quote: Speaking of memorial services, Ilse don't you have a special day in Holland to honour the troops or the liberation of Holland? I'd love to hear about it. Hi Bea, In the Netherlands the days of May 4 and 5 are reserved for that. May 4 is Remembrance Day in which the Dutch mourn all the dead from World War II. There are two official national ceremonies for that. One is in Amsterdam at the place of the National Monument, which is attended by the Royal family, government, and all other representatives of groups. The second is held at the "Waalsdorpervlakte". This is an uninhabited place whithout urbanization, and also the place where the Germans shot and buried the first group of Dutch resistance to German occupation way back in 1940. This ceremony attracts more survivors, family members and those with a personal interest. It is a more subdued ceremony, in my opinion. I visited there quite some years ago at Remembrance Day and it's actually very impressive and moving. May 5th is Liberation Day, and thus a day for festivities. I remember fondly the day of May 5th, 1995. Being the 50th birthday of German capitulation, many war veterans from the US, Canada, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand and and I don't even know how many other places were there. It was a great sight to see all the parades and how young and old in the Netherlands came out to honour those people. You know, the last couple of years there has been heated debate in the Netherlands of including Germans in these ceremonies. They would like that. Unfortunately, many here seem not to be ready for it. I would like to see that happen, though. It would be true reconciliation, and a true conquering of ghosts from the past. Ilse
Adele	Posted - October 25 2002 : 1:43:21 PM quote: Originally posted by securemann: Has anybody been to the beach at LeHarve,France? That's where my Dad landed in 1944 with the U.S.Army.My Dad lost his best friend as they were running along the beach trying to dodge German machine gun fire.My Dad told me there were bodies all over the place.God Bless all those soldiers who died for us. Was that on D-Day, securemann? As far as I recall, all the American soldiers landed on Omaha and Utah on the west of the French coastline. Le Havre is on the east, beyond the most easterly D-Day landing beach which was Sword. I have a feeling that Le Havre was secured sometime in September 1944, it was an important port and I know that it was bombed heavily by the Allies, but I don't know much more than that. I would be very interested to hear more of your fathers recollections... There is a site which I came across a while ago which may be of some interest. Le Havre was one of the main entrances and exits to Europe for American troops and actually was referred to as the Gateway to America at one point, and this site relates how all the staging area camps for troops surrounding Le Havre were named after American cigarettes eg Camp Lucky Strike and Camp Chesterfield! Anyway, you may find it interesting bearing in mind your family history...and there may be some other links on this site you might like. http://www.skylighters.org/special/cigcamps/cigintro.html HM PS Isn't it amazing what you find on the net?!
Adele	Posted - October 25 2002 : 12:59:44 PM quote: Originally posted by Bea: Thanks for posting the article! Yes,I can relate to the ceremony as Canadians do exactly the same thing. The poppies can already be seen here in stores. Our schools are finally picking up on the Remembrance Day importance as well. My son's school has a special assembly where the names of our fallen soldiers and also the ones who survived are mentioned. Last year Cody was honoured to hold the wreath. Lest we forget. Re.: Omaha Beach: yes you are right. My friends and I and all the tourists around us can enjoy the freedom because of those who brought the ultimate sacrifices. The Normandy has many reminders of World War TWO. One couldn't miss the signs for the numerous cemetaries and memorials. I remember seeing an interesting one in St.Lo. Adele, have you been to Bayeux? Speaking of memorial services, Ilse don't you have a special day in Holland to honour the troops or the liberation of Holland? I'd love to hear about it. Adele, thanks for mentioning the book. I will takeav look at it!Yes, I hope that I can visit Europe very soon...it's tough though when you're a single mom..:( My son and I were lucky enough to visit my Dad in Germany in last spring but 12 days were way too short..I love Europe and the vast amount of culture it offers. When I lived there I was able to travel quite a lot but have never made it to Holland or England..:( And here I have a dear friend living in Luton.. Bea, from what you have written, I really think you would enjoy that book. And as for Europe, well, England is a great place to base yourself, if you ever need a place to stop (save on the hotel bills!), you only need ask! HM
securemann	Posted - October 25 2002 : 12:32:54 PM Has anybody been to the beach at LeHarve,France? That's where my Dad landed in 1944 with the U.S.Army.My Dad lost his best friend as they were running along the beach trying to dodge German machine gun fire.My Dad told me there were bodies all over the place.God Bless all those soldiers who died for us.
Bea	Posted - October 25 2002 : 10:41:31 AM Thanks for posting the article! Yes,I can relate to the ceremony as Canadians do exactly the same thing. The poppies can already be seen here in stores. Our schools are finally picking up on the Remembrance Day importance as well. My son's school has a special assembly where the names of our fallen soldiers and also the ones who survived are mentioned. Last year Cody was honoured to hold the wreath. Lest we forget. Re.: Omaha Beach: yes you are right. My friends and I and all the tourists around us can enjoy the freedom because of those who brought the ultimate sacrifices. The Normandy has many reminders of World War TWO. One couldn't miss the signs for the numerous cemetaries and memorials. I remember seeing an interesting one in St.Lo. Adele, have you been to Bayeux? Speaking of memorial services, Ilse don't you have a special day in Holland to honour the troops or the liberation of Holland? I'd love to hear about it. Adele, thanks for mentioning the book. I will takeav look at it!Yes, I hope that I can visit Europe very soon...it's tough though when you're a single mom..:( My son and I were lucky enough to visit my Dad in Germany in last spring but 12 days were way too short..I love Europe and the vast amount of culture it offers. When I lived there I was able to travel quite a lot but have never made it to Holland or England..:( And here I have a dear friend living in Luton..
Adele	Posted - October 25 2002 : 08:21:22 AM quote: Originally posted by Bea: Oh Adele, you describe my feelings perfectly!! Yes, I remember those rusty amphibians ( or parts of them) sticking out of the ocean. And of course the bunkers built inside the cliffs. Very eerie..I didn't go to any museums or cemetary. I wish I could turn back time though..I wish I would have been more informed. That's why it is so important not to ever forget those who gave their lives for freedom and the incredible sacrifices they brought..I hope that one day I can return and pay my proper respects..Thinking back it is no wonder why Omaha Beach was called "Bloody Beach" ( and here I sat on the same beach suntanning innocently..argh..the ignorance of a teenager!!!). The poor American soldiers were sitting ducks for the Germans and not to forget either though that a whole bunch of other factors played quite a big role in this event. OOps, gotta run.My kid is home for lunch..Will write more!! I wouldn't feel too badly about sunning yourself on that beach Bea...the freedom to enjoy your youth was one of the reasons blood was spilled on that beach. I was almost the same...I sat on the beach wall and watched the sun go down, admiring the view and I walked along the coastal path with very little idea of what had gone on there four decades previously. However, I look at it this way..once you know what went on, you will never look at that place the same way...and you and I, if we return, will have the fortune of having seen it in two entirely different perspectives. But your point about the ignorance of youth is a valid one, and it is why I feel so strongly about the importance of Remembrance Day, and the observance of its traditions. It is an education... Sidetracking a little...a read this short article about UK Remembrance Day written by an American visitor, which I found quite moving. His last sentence illustrates my point very well. REMEMBRANCE DAY In the UK by Georgie McIrvin Ceremony is an essential part of any culture. It is a thread that binds a people together and one generation to another. Where there is a strong sense of ceremony, there seems to be a united group, whether in a family or a nation. The British Isles have survived on ceremony. On November 11 at exactly eleven minutes past eleven o’clock, there is a nation wide moment of silence to commemorate the ending of WWI. But the premier ceremony is held on Remembrance Day, the Sunday nearest to November 11. This ceremony is conducted in exactly the same way in every village in the country. Only six villages in all of England do not have a War Memorial statue around which the ceremony is held. A large ring is formed around the War Memorial by groups representing each of the military units, ie. Army, Navy, Air Force, etc. Also there are the youth groups in uniform , similar to Boy Scouts, and the government officials. A resplendent military band stands in formation in front of the War Memorial. Very large crowds have gathered in the streets to witness the ceremony. The band plays a mournful tune and the crowd grows silent. Following the music there is a two minute period of silence for reflection on the tremendous sacrifices that were made to gain peace. This ceremony originally began as a tribute to the fallen from World War I, but now encompasses all war dead from then to the present. There is not a sound. I was standing about a block and a half away, and I saw no one move. Everywhere there was absolute respect for the period of silence. For days prior to this event, paper poppies had been sold to wear on the lapel. The money generated goes to the relief of veterans’ families. It seemed that every person at the ceremony was wearing a poppy. My friends supplied
Bea	Posted - October 24 2002 : 2:36:54 PM quote: That's a very familiar feeling to me Bea. I travelled all around France during the mid-80's and ended up in Normandy, towards the end of my trip. I stayed in Arromanches which was where an artifical harbour called Mulberry was set up on the right of Gold beach, where the British had landed on D-Day. I think I can probably pinpoint my interest in modern history, and in particular WWII history, from that time. Seeing those rusting landing craft still there on that beach, as well as the bunkers and museums, sparked something, because I had never been that interested in history before. I remember taking a tour round the coast in a helicopter which was absolutely amazing. Now, I would love to go back there so much, with the knowledge and interest that I have acquired in the last few years, and see it all again. I know that I would see it with a whole new perspective. Oh Adele, you describe my feelings perfectly!! Yes, I remember those rusty amphibians ( or parts of them) sticking out of the ocean. And of course the bunkers built inside the cliffs. Very eerie..I didn't go to any museums or cemetary. I wish I could turn back time though..I wish I would have been more informed. That's why it is so important not to ever forget those who gave their lives for freedom and the incredible sacrifices they brought..I hope that one day I can return and pay my proper respects..Thinking back it is no wonder why Omaha Beach was called "Bloody Beach" ( and here I sat on the same beach suntanning innocently..argh..the ignorance of a teenager!!!). The poor American soldiers were sitting ducks for the Germans and not to forget either though that a whole bunch of other factors played quite a big role in this event. OOps, gotta run.My kid is home for lunch..Will write more!!
Adele	Posted - October 24 2002 : 2:01:39 PM quote: Originally posted by Bea: Speaking of War Monuments: I remember seeing the one at Omaha Beach when I travelled there in 1981.I was a teenager back then and looking back I wish I would have been more aware of the importance of all the places we drove by..Once I watched SAVING PRIVATE RYAN it dawned on me what Omaha Beach really stood for..Duh.. of course, being Canadian, I should have gone up to Dieppe where many of our Canadian soldiers lost their lives. While collecting stories for my book,I remember talking to a lady who lost three brothers in Dieppe. That's a very familiar feeling to me Bea. I travelled all around France during the mid-80's and ended up in Normandy, towards the end of my trip. I stayed in Arromanches which was where an artifical harbour called Mulberry was set up on the right of Gold beach, where the British had landed on D-Day. I think I can probably pinpoint my interest in modern history, and in particular WWII history, from that time. Seeing those rusting landing craft still there on that beach, as well as the bunkers and museums, sparked something, because I had never been that interested in history before. I remember taking a tour round the coast in a helicopter which was absolutely amazing. Now, I would love to go back there so much, with the knowledge and interest that I have acquired in the last few years, and see it all again. I know that I would see it with a whole new perspective. You are right about Dieppe too...that has a strong link for you. In 1942 a raid on Dieppe was made by Canadian soldiers which was a total disaster and about 75% of the soldiers were either killed or captured within a matter of hours. The Canadians landing on D-day at Juno beach had almost as bad a time as the Americans that landed at Omaha. If you were one of initial assault teams at either Omaha or Juno, you had a one in two chance of being killed or wounded. A horrible statistic. For anyone else that is interested in this particular time period or event, one of the best books I have ever read on the subject is the critically acclaimed book "D-Day" by Stephen E Ambrose, and it is the most marvellous read. It is my idea of a perfect history book, where facts and figures are interspersed with individual stories and recollections, that bring history to life for the modern reader. HM
Ilse	Posted - October 23 2002 : 4:38:55 PM Good to see you back in true style, Anthony I see I have no choice but to go back and get you one after all, right?

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